The Water4Gas Report

Gone Are The Days

2010-03-09T06:04:00.000-08:00

Well sure the new release of the W4G books is about to come out, and they're taking the technology global, and the books are going to be free now instead of costing $99 or $59 (on sale in the last days to when they still cost something...) So the movement is expanding, and people are getting onboard and understanding that the high cost of driving can at least be reduced. That's good. The technology is getting better, and in many cases one no longer needs a dialed gadget installed on or under the dashboard (things that made my wife give me that look), but on the other hand there is indeed something missing isn't there? The first and foremost missing item is the cheap "sex sells" logo at the the top of all the W4G site pages. All I can say about that is - finally! But there's also that missing element of the average person taking a few common ingredients, figuring out how to make, or where to buy specific parts and assemble something unique. Something that opened the world of using water to extend mileage was suddenly yours to understand and implement. As it turns out the technology has grown to the degree that all you have to do now is buy a kit. You can still get the books but the focus has switched to getting something packaged and shiny. It is after all the American way. Why make a hard-boiled egg when you can buy one pre-boiled and wrapped in plastic? Here's the email I received this morning:

Hi Guys!
The complete set of eBooks is nearing completion and will be uploaded to the servers on Wednesday, March 10th at 12:01 am Pacific Standard Time!
Thank you for your support during this lengthy process. As the revisions were made,many tens of thousands of people continued to sign up and expand our membership!
Now we are poised for the next huge release as promised: The International Showcase of HHO Technology and Global Membership Community!
All this follows the critical March 10th Release Date - Be Ready!
Make sure you are registered for access by signing up or confirming your subscription here: water4gas.com/join.htm
Happy Water-Fuel Motoring!
Ozzie Freedom
Founder, Water4Gas

I don't want anyone to get me wrong on this - I fully support this movement and I do believe that it is something that is needed in the world, but I miss the connection to personal innovation that was inherent in the early days of a couple of years ago. I also miss that feeling of a grass roots movement, fighting the powers of the oil companies. I miss my part in that process when I identified parts that were difficult to make or come by and created a small business where I sold those few items (at a very small mark up) to others who recognized that what I was doing had as much to do with my personal sense of integrity as with anything else. (I always made sure to provide links and connections to people who were selling similar items to my own encouraging the expansion of the movement in as many ways as possible.) Still, those days are now past. At some point Ozzie stopped communicating with me on any level but as a possible dollar sign. What has really happened? I suppose that W4G has gone the way of so many great underground movements: it has become a corporate entity that has it's sites set clearly on the bottom line. Ah well. Notice that the link in the copy of the email above is a live one. In spite of the demise of my early close personal connection with W4G - I continue to support any technology that will drive down the costs of driving while cleaning up the environment at the same time. I encourage anyone who is not already involved to sign up if for no other reason but to find out the possibilities. I say, let's get on with it. But I also say this: keep an eye to a future that may well reveal something else that might do the same things - but once again returning the power of making it work to the common person.

As I've said many times in the past: the goal is not always about making money, rather it is about making this planet a better place Right?

Something New Has Been Added - 45+MPG!

2009-09-26T07:23:00.000-07:00

Well as many of you have figured out by now - I haven't been around here for a while. Such is life:-) However my fascination with obtaining the best possible mileage has not diminished at all, in fact I have been carefully keeping track of the mileage that I've been getting (or not getting) on my new 2008 Honda. The care is rated at 35 highway and 26 in the city, but the reality is that I've been getting around 17 in the city and 27 on the highway. Naturally, I've been complaining to Honda about this for the entire past year and they've been telling me that their computers verify that the car is running perfectly. I felt I was getting the run around and I said so. Finally, the service manager, Antony at Paragon Honda agreed with me that the car should be road-tested by his best technician, Ken. We arranged a time, and because it took a month to do this I thought I was being stalled - but I went along with it so that I could at least get it done.

So two days ago Ken and I got into the car, went together to a gas station and filled it up. At that point he said that the driving conditions were that all accessories had to be turned off and that the windows had to be rolled up. I said no problem. We drove approximately 50 miles (about 10 on city streets and 40 on the highway) - all the while obeying the speed limits. I was vigilant in keeping track of when and where the miles were being racked up - figuring that staying on the highway longer was certain to slant things in their favor, but still I was okay with that since I figured that the best he would be able to do would be at the very most - 29 on the highway and possibly 20 in the city - if he coasted a lot...

When we returned to the gas station and filled the car once again to measure the mileage I'm sure that my mouth fell open - we got 45+MPG on that little trip! He explained to me that the aerodynamics of the car with the windows up were responsible for a lot of that difference, and that leaving the AC off in particular assured that the Alternator did not kick in. Naturally, the Alternator creates drag on the engine.

It was 80 degrees out and with the windows up it was damned hot in that car, but that he was able to prove to me without a doubt that the car could actually do much better than advertised was stunning. His driving was not all that different from the way I drive normally - trying to stay below 2000 RPM and not revving the engine etc., but still he got that impressive mileage in my car.

Should Honda and other car makers be telling us that in order to get superior mileage, as stated on the sticker, we need to travel around in a well appointed sweat-boxes, with the windows up and using none of the gadgets installed by them? Yes, of course they should! Will they ever do such a thing? Hell no, it would be bad for business - right? Is this a scam? No not at all: it is simply a lie by omission designed by ad agencies to sell cars. As long as we continue to buy the lie we are as responsible for the problem as they are.

Fight back by continuing the search for a better way, better mileage, and a better life for us and our children. If we don't do it we can be certain of one thing - the corporations won't do it either.

The Way Things Stand Now

2009-07-04T08:58:00.000-07:00

As most of you know I've been away from this blog for quite some time. Part of that had to do with the accident, and part of it has to do with my relationship to Water4Gas. Obviously, I continue to sell hard-to-find and hard-to-make W4G parts, and I fully support the technology.

As one of the very few original people marketing my products in the W4G Marketplace I believe that I was of real assistance in helping quite a lot of people get started. The fact is that it was o early on that when I signed up and received the books Ozzie Freedom called me himself to welcome me onboard and let me know that he was around to help if I needed it...

Later on when I found that the W4G Marketplace was operating in a way that made it impossible for newcomers to get in and offer their products I took a stand and helped usher in a better and more fair way of showing product and services for sale. Many of my fellow dealers called to thank me. A couple of those who were at the heart of the problems on the site called to rage at me... Ah well, what I did was right, and I would do it again.

Things changed toward the end of last year and W4G instituted a transformation in the way dealers of parts and systems etc. could be supported. What they did was they sent out a letter encouraging all dealers, including myself, to set up an Affiliate Program so that W4G could then become our affiliate instead of the other way around, and would thus make money when they directed people to us. Well that sounded like a great idea and I got on it immediately. With a lot of work and a fair amount of money I did exactly as they asked and then using the form they sent out I submitted my site and information. They never responded in any way. I sent it again. Again, they did not respond... This happened six times. As recently as a month ago I submitted the information again. They act as if I do not exist, yet still, because I know the value of the technology I continue to support it, I continue to sell W4G parts at IgnitingWater.com, obviously I've not made the blog disappear, and I continue to reach out to W4G in hopes that they will at some point realize that it is a good thing to have me in their corner.

All of this may not be directly related to assisting everyone who wants to to turn their car into something more than the automakers were willing to do, but I believe that it is important to be truthful in all aspects of my experience, and this is absolutely a part of that truth.

Drive on,

Jon

Sometimes...

2008-11-04T06:31:00.000-08:00

...it's just hard to get rolling again after an extended period, but I'll make the attempt to get back on track. As you can imaging I continue to be quite busy in spite of not posting here all that much. I can only suppose that because I do what I do well - people tell their friends.

Anyway, this post has to do with my ongoing search for an installer in NYC. I had high hopes when over the weekend I received an email informing me that someone was indeed taking on that task here in my neck of the woods (although all the woods have been pretty much chopped down or regulated to parks - but never mind that for the moment).

So that you know how difficult such a search can be I've decided to post the original email (with all identifying information of the sender removed) I received and my response to it. I am not posting this to mock anyone or deter anyone from doing this work. Rather I am posting this so that it's clear to everyone that I'm not willing to just wildly promote anyone without testing their mettle. I actually say in the note on the right side of this blog, "I am looking to be able to recommend persons of the highest integrity and expert level knowledge that can fill this needed position." - These are not idle words, and they are not without meaning. It is important to me that I stay clear in my goal to promote water4gas in a way that supports it over time.

COPY/PASTE BEGINS

xxxx

Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:25 AM

To: jon@ignitingwater.com

Good morning Jon.

I am starting installations of systems in the NYC area

thanks

xxxx xxxx

cell:xxx xxx xxxx

xxxx@hotmail.com

Jon Ellis

Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:24 PM

To: xxxxx

Hi xxxx- Really great to hear that you're doing this. Congratulations!

Let me offer my blog as a platform for you to let people know about the installations you've done, and the results that your customers are achieving. Naturally, because I do not know you, or have any personal experience of what you're doing I cannot put myself in a place of recommending your service, but I do fully support it and will do what I can to assist you in having your business grow.

If you are interested in making use of the platform I'm offering here please respond to this email and I will place our current communication up on the water4gasreport as a post inviting you to comment further as a response to that post. Once you have made your first comment I will then place a link to your ongoing posts - in the section at the top of the page where I currently have the notice "Seeking a Water4Gas Installer in the NYC Area."

Sound good? Let me know.

Best,

Jon

Jonathan Ellis
Welling Court | Astoria, New York
C: 917 617 6870
jon@ignitingwater.com
www.ignitingwater.com
http://water4gasreport.blogspot.com/

COPY/PASTE ENDS

Well as it stands now on voting day (yes, I voted already) I've not yet heard anything in return. Hopefully he will respond and I will be able to help him a grow a business that will not only save gas for people but will be a continuing service to the environment. I look forward to the opportunity

Okay I'm Back and Continuing to Explore

2008-10-01T04:48:00.001-07:00

Yes, yes I know I haven't posted here since the 17th of September and I really have no excuse whatsoever. Still, being in an accident can take it out of you a bi,t and what the shock cannot manage to do, is then in the hands of the insurance companies, and they are so good at what they do.

Anyway, these are scans of the first two fill-ups for my new Honda Civic.
It's amazing that I've come out of what was a gigantic mess with a new car that my wife, son and I have fallen in love with. The navigation system is the most amazing (and necessary) gadget ever... And before you laughing guys point it out to me - yes, I did read today about a second idiot, in a matter of weeks, who ended up on the railroad tracks by blindly listening to GPS instructions. Brother!

As you can see the mileage is not bad right off the get-go, but eventually I will introduce the w4g components into the system. What am I waiting for you ask? I'm waiting for Ozzie's fabled piggy-back device - so that I have no knobs, switches or otherwise inside the cabin of the car which is pretty darned important. Just ask my lovely wife:-) Also I'll want to be very careful about how I proceed so that I don't give Honda any opportunity to void the warranty. A couple of my neighbors want their cars to be my new test subjects - so I have them carefully noting down their mileage so we all can know what's happening under those hoods before we get started.

One other thing is that in a day or so I'll be posting a new video which will demonstrate how to properly place the windings on our newest Igniting Water towers. Oh didn't I mention that? Oh well - yes we will be soon offering a new version of both of the 1 /4" thick tower styles ( 3/8 and 1/4 notched) - that will accept an additional 15 or so inches of wire... Nice huh?

See ya' later

J

Spreading the Word

2008-09-17T04:54:00.000-07:00

Hi Jon,

I'm working on a similar project at hodworks.com, testing my own car and a couple of friends' cars with the system. Your site's a good resource - thanks for the work.

I added a link to my site - if you wanted to reciprocate that would be cool.

Thanks,

Brad

You got it Brad - I'm glad you found the info useful. That's what it's all about. I'll set up the link to your site tomorrow. With your permission I'll also post your e-note to me which of course includes the link you've placed there - and I will also place a link to you in the right side-bar. Nice to have the company:-)

Best,

Jon

Adding links to the sites of others is a policy that I will continue to keep open to anyone who would like to have that happen. All anyone has to do is ask:-)

Communication About Overheating

2008-09-10T04:52:00.001-07:00

Hi Jon, My name is Mike XXX and I purchased some of your products a few weeks ago. I have built one so far and installed it in my 2000 suburban along with a map enhancer purchased on ebay. I been having a problem with overheating and melting the tower, shorting out and blowing fuses. I have lessened the baking soda to 1/8 tsp from 1/4 tsp. Thought may be that could be the problem. And also the water does not last very long. Would you have any suggestions what to do next. Many thanks. Mike XXX

Hi Mike - A couple of things you can look at:

check to see that you system isn't wired into the alternator in some way
check to see that you don't have the poles reversed (two strand wire on the Positive side instead of the Negative)

What you're experiencing has to do with too much juice flowing through those wires. I had some similar stuff happen that I ultimately cured by using two Electrolyzers connected in series. - And that series part is all important since it reduced the 12 volts to 6 each across the two units. Once I did that I was able to use as much a 5 teaspoons of Baking Soda per unit with no overheating.

Because this is such a common experience to everyone I've decided to post our conversation to the blog.

Take care Mike and please let me know your results.

Best,

Jon

I Regret to Announce...

2008-09-06T10:41:00.000-07:00

...that the good and loyal '97 Honda Civic that has been the transporter of my family, the families of friends and relatives, members of the band and various visitors to our home - is no longer with us. Yesterday morning around 8:30AM EDT I was driving on 23rd street in Long Island City, New York at about 8:30 AM. I stopped a a stop sign at 31st Road and then inched forward craning to see around the van parked to my right on 31st. The street appeared clear. Given my Californian upbringing I also looked to my left to make sure that no one was heading the wrong way on that small one-way street. It was at that moment that a yellow cab traveling some 40 to 50 MPH (in a school zone) tore the front of my car off, and bent the frame. The photo, taken with my cell phone, fairly well shows the aftermath. That black thing that looks like an i-beam in the street is the gadget that would normally trigger the air-bags. Obviously they did not deploy. Still, my seat belt held me snug and safe and I was unhurt, but the car has been declared - "totaled" - and that with like 7/8ths of a tank of gas in it! I wonder where that goes? The cabbie had a bump on the head. He had a fare who simply got out and left the scene. I found three witnesses as to what happened and the insurance companies will work out whatever they need to work out. Thus ends this part of my ongoing experiment, but here are a couple of w4g things worth noting:

When the car was hit the motor shut down and when I know that I was unhurt I immediately got out to check on the other driver - forgetting that the Electrolytzers were continuing to churn out HHO. It was not until I had spoken with several people, called 911, and wandered around a bit shook up by the experience that I realizied what I had left undone and went to correct the potential problem - perhaps 7 to 10 minutes from impact. Here's the thing - nothing blew up. So I can now safely say that when an Electrolyzer runs for say 7 minutes the possibility of explosion appears to be nil...
Later in the day I went to the lot where the car or what is left of it has been stored - and removed our personal items including the MAP Enhanser and the Electrolyzers and all pertinent parts and found that the mason jars were unscathed. Turns out that these things are really strong - a very good thing to know, right?

My intention is to take the things that I've removed from my car and put them into the car of a neighbor who has expressed interest. I will ask him to keep independent readings of his mileage and I will make it my task to report his findings here. I see this as an opportunity to expand my knowledge by using this technology on another vehicle for the first time.

As for my transportation needs - well my wife and I have decided that what we want is another Honda Civic - but this time we want a Hybrid. (We'll just see if we can get it. I do figure that it's wortha try:-) With w4g we've become used to getting really good mileage, so how could we settle for anything less? I expect that once I feel really secure with my level of expertise I'll install a system in the new car (assuming of course that the computer issues have been solved by then) and we'll see if I can take what is already reported as great mileage in that car and make it even better...

The photo at the bottom here is a photo taken again with my cell phone of what happened to the cab after it hit me: he spun once in the street. My bumper is laying out there and the guy in shorts is standing next to a car the the cab missed in its trajectory before it slammed into the grey car you see pinned between the cab and the telephone pole. Just beyond that is a school. Children were everywhere both on the street and behind the fence. No one was hurt! Miracles never cease... Never.

Buckle up.

I'll see ya soon.

Keeping it Real

2008-09-03T10:59:00.001-07:00

The MPG represented by this receipt is 24.82 so let's call it 25 to be fair. The problem is that I should have done much better and I'm not being picky here... some of this was highway driving and admittedly some of it was being trapped in the middle of a traffic jam, but - come on! Once again I'm going back to square one to see what the problem is, and I would think that it darn well has something to do with the computer taking over once again. Maybe it finally figured out that I have the Oxy Sensor out of the system and so I'm suffering with the heretofore predicted dire results. In the meanwhile water4gas is sending out tantalizing emails about the end of such problems. Four days ago I (along with the rest of the w4g community) received a message from Ozzie Freedom. Here's a bit of that message...

copy/paste from ozzie begins:...to let you all know that this is exactly what myself and Water4Gas are making. I know many of you have been waiting for the “panacea” to all on-board computer problems, so I am 100% dedicated to getting this device fine tuned and released for public to use in a matter of weeks.

I am working on a device that can be built and installed at home that will simply take the data from a standard Scan Gauge or similar computer, then use this information to send many signals to the vehicles’ fuel injection system which will in turn bypass the ECU completely. Thus giving us complete control of the fuel-air ratio and allowing the Water4Gas system to do its job, uninterrupted.

I will let you know next week of a website that will follow up on these developments. You can give me your input and help us create this solution.

copy/paste from Ozzie ends

Frankly I can't wait because this other route is something of a pain.-) not like I'm not having a good time though.

The other fly in the ointment at the moment is ongoing promise of the Free MarketPlace being up and running better, stronger and faster - while what we have now is something more difficult to navigate, and really quite daunting for casual computer users. Hopefully this will be solved soon.

One final comment - on comments: I have only had to take action on one posting so far, but please know that unless something is simply offensive I have no intention of deleting any comment of any sort from this site. Within the bounds of the subject at hand - everyone has the right to say what they want to say. I would however like to remind everyone that it's pretty important to stick with sharing from our experience as opposed to what we believe, or think we know, or have heard about from someone else etc... My reasoning is that when we share our experiences we are taking a different route than what has happened on other sites that are full of conflicting information. At least if someone has the experience and someone else has an opposite one - then we can all try to look at the variables that brought about what appears on the surface anyway to be paradoxical. We are all looking for real solutions that the rest of us can duplicate, and I thank everyone who has contributed to the success of this blog by posting what they've gone through in getting the technology to work properly on their individual vehicles.

So Now What?

2008-08-28T05:47:00.000-07:00

I have to say in spite of what I said yesterday that I'm a bit put off that my mileage didn't increase. Given that I have 5 tsps of Baking Soda - in theory I should be developing more HHO. If that's true then what's happening to it? I just went out and double-checked to assure myself that they are no air leaks. There are none. My thoughts go once again to the MAP Enhancer adjustment - I did turn the City dial up from 10 to 12. Now I'm wondering if I should go back to 10 or maybe 8 or 9. Maybe it's that counter intuitive thing again? Another possibility is that I've now squeezed all the HHO value out of two Electrolyzrs that my car can put to use. Given that I hate that possibility - I think that I'll attempt the tuning of the MAP Enhancer - I'm thinking 8, and am open to suggestions.

Also I want to point out that the disconnection of the Oxygen Sensor in my particular car did not cause any of the problems that have been proposed as potential drawbacks. It is possible (and even probable) that this result has as much to do with the original computer configuration of my '97 Honda Civic as with anything else. All I know is that the disconnection of the Sensor has worked wonders for me.

Moving on...

NOTICE: I'm now actively looking to buy a PVC Enhancer and I'd like a recommendation for a vendor to buy from. At this point you all know the kind of person I'm looking for. It's okay to recommend yourself, and it's okay to post whoever you'd like to recommend - including a site address - as a comment to this (or any other post in this blog). The only time that I will ever remove such a post is if I discover through feedback or experience that the vendor does not fully support their products and/or their customers. If I ever need to take such an action I will not point out that they have been removed, nor will I further identify them here - since I do not support tactics of accusation - I will simply make that listing go away.

What is the matter with my thinking? Well I'll tell ya'...

2008-08-27T15:23:00.000-07:00

So the results of this fill up show me that I've once again achieved 27.047 MPG and my immediate response is that hey, I've add 5tsp of baking soda to my electrolyzers and I see virtually no gain at all. The problem, however, does not lie with that my mpg has remained the same as it was before, rather the problem is that my expectations have been readjusted by the results that I've already gotten. Let's face it - 27 MPG is awesome! Especially when considering that before w4g I was averaging 21. So what's going on here?

I/We have gotten used to being conditioned by the media. There are expectations built into everything. Think I've got it wrong? Okay so how would you feel if you drove by a gas station in your neighborhood tomorrow morning that was selling gas for $3.25 per gallon. Get real - cars would be lined up around the block, and you could ask each and every driver what they were doing. And, each and every one would tell you that they were buying cheap gas. But we've all now been conditioned by big oil and the interconnected corporate media to have the perception that $3.25 is cheap!. Come on - gas for $3.25 is expensive and we all, at some level, know that.

My point is that I'm doing really well and - still I want more. I've been set up by my own beliefs. The good thing is that at least in this case they are my own beliefs, born out of my personal experiences, rather than those foisted off onto me by advertisers.

When I first started investigating the w4g technology I had my "I'm about to get stung" defenses up. I figured that I was about to get taken for a hundred bucks, and I also figured that it would be worth it if I learned something. To tell the truth though I had an innate feeling that just perhaps it was true - that the most plentiful substance on our planet could be the answer that we're all looking for. Hey just like the rest of you I did my homework and discovered the tale of Stanly Meyers and I've seen those videos - and I convinced myself that at least something was up. Well, as it turns out I didn't get stung at all, and I certainly did learn something. - I learned that I can get 27 MPG IN THE CITY consistently! And that water is indeed the answer. Do I think that I can do better? Of course I do. Can I be satisfied until I move on to get better results?

Oh alright...

By the way did I mention I get 27 MPG in the city?

Series Connection - Five Teaspoons - Wire Mesh Holders

2008-08-23T07:03:00.000-07:00

I've been asked the question enough that I decided to add this crude drawing of what it means to connect the electrolyzers in series. My neighbor who happens to be a building contractor assured me that these connections would produce a short. He was wrong:-) which is so rare that I got to do a small dance of triumph after I made the connection and ran the car. All kidding aside - this is the way to do it.

As I reported earlier in the week I am now running two Electrolyzer's (in series) with 5 teaspoons of Baking Soda. I wanted to report specifically on that combination: they are running quite cool even after an hour of running around town. The engine got to it's normal hotness but my HHO system stayed plenty cool enough to touch which seems like a very good sign. I've not used enough gas yet to be ready to fill up yet, but I'll get there in the next day or so and will check in then.

Oh yeah, I've added one more thing to my system that I like quite a lot - and that's wire mesh holders for the Electrolyzers. What's great about them is that it make it really easy to lift each unit out of the holder for inspection or to add water. I put my bungee cord around the outside of the mesh containers - which holds everything correctly in place. Someone I spoke with after having done this suggested that the containers could be pierced and a wire could be devised to suspend them when space was an issue - which I think is a pretty good idea...

Now I know that the question is - where did I come by these amazing mesh containers? The answer, my friends, is simple I bought them at Staples for like $6.00 apiece. You will find them in the section for pen and pencil holders. They just happen to be exactly the correct size for what we're doing.

Happy mileage.

I'm Back and Ready

2008-08-19T13:59:00.000-07:00

Many of you know that I've been out of town for a few days, and that just before I left I changed a couple of things on my set up.

Now the thing is - that I had a really terrific time away with family members (some of whom I'd never met before) and spent time not thinking about any of this (well some of the time anyway) - but the truth is that I've been really anxious to return to continue my experiment. On the advice of a really strong supporter of this blog (Kyle you know who you are:-) I've upped the Baking Soda in my two Electrolyzers from 1 1/2 teaspoons to 5 teaspoons each and have modulated my MAP Enhancer to about 12 on the dial. We shall see what happens.

Something that stands out for me here is that given the calibration on the Enhancer is from 0 to 60 I believe that I was making original adjustment in a rather gross way - that is I was thinking from 30 to 20 to 10 - never for a moment thinking about the use of delicate adjustments which as it turns out is exactly what needs to be done...

Live and learn:-)

The Importance of Sealing the Electrolyzer

2008-08-08T05:17:00.000-07:00

Early on when I first began to work with Water4Gas on my car I realized that I had a leak around the electrode fittings and made sure to seal them off. At the time I spoke with several people on the forum about this, and everyone agreed that it was important that there be no leaks at all. Also it came up that there was a problem for everyone concerning the plastic caps being used on the Electrolyzer. Lots of people were reporting that after they were in use for a little while that they would warp a bit and consequently they would leak. Many solutions were offered; some of them were good - such as gaskets being made to order, and Form-a-Gasket (a paste type product available in auto parts stores).

But if you've been following this blog you will know that, for me, simply knowing something is not always acting upon it right off the bat. Really although without much energy on it I did make sure to seal off the Electrolyzers that I've made for myself and some friends, but had no acceptable way to test those seals until a few days ago. Strangely about a week ago I had tested a couple of O-Ring Seals that appeared to do the trick: the test was simple - I took a cap that had not been drilled out, put water in it and turned it over. If it leaked then that was obviously not the seal I was looking for. I had it narrowed down to two - one of which was a bit thinner but fit the cap exactly, but I decided against it in favor of the thicker version that on first look is ever so slightly big. As it turns out my instincts were correct and that is the perfect seal. You see there was a further test that hadn't occurred to me. Because I've had such motivating successes with my gas mileage
I decided to check out the creation of "New Water" which utilizes an Electrolyzer in a very specific way. The trick there is that the Electrolyzer must be sealed off completely or when you place the output line into the separate jar you will get no bubbles at all! The Electrolyzer in this case is being put under positive pressure with the Aquarium Pump instead of a vacuum as it is used on a car - meaning that a little soap solution will allow you to see leaks. Well I started with a brand new cap that I had personally attached all of the fittings to, and had personally sealed using Goop. I got no bubbles. One of my Electrode fittings had a minor leak (these seem to be a problem area). I fixed it but still got no bubbles. I found a small leak around the edge of that brand new cap. I tightened it. Still nothing. I grabbed the thinner version of the O-Ring and put it in the cap and still had a leak. I traded out the thinner version for what I now call the "Perfect O-Ring" and wha'-do-ya' know?

Bubbles:-)

I immediately went out and placed the Perfect O-Rings in the Electrolyzers on my car.

Sealing is everything. Well let's just say that sealing is as equally important as every other detail, and all of the details are really, really important. Have I made myself clear? You cannot have any leaks.

Placing the Angle Fittings On the Cap

2008-08-06T10:21:00.000-07:00

The image on the right is the inside of the cap for the wide mouth jar. Specifically, you're looking at a double vacuum set up where I used lock-washers to hold the angled fittings in place. As you'll see in the video below they're not always easy to put in place, but I found them to be more practical and frankly easier to use than the 1/4 inch nuts as indicated in the book.

UPDATE NOTE: 7:42 PM EDT Aug 10, 2008 - A new friend of mine in Fort Worth just called to tell me that the 1/4 inch lock washer slid right off the elbow! Between us we figured out that the elbow he was using was an irrigation variety purchased from Home Depot. The elbows that I'm using are automotive vacuum fittings and can be found at PepBoys, NAPA and Auto Zone. It's a pretty darned important distinction. Thanks Chris! - j

The video should give you a pretty good idea of how to put the angled fittings into the cap. I've had the question asked quite a few times concerning how this is done, and I finally got it through my head that there was a need for a video. The photo is actually something that I took a couple of weeks ago and has been lost in my computer until now.

It has lately occurred to me that what I take for granted is not necessarily obvious - so I ask in advance for you to be patient. If I've neglected to point out something important just drop me a note or give me a call and I'll see what I can do to fix it properly

NOTE: The O-Ring mentioned in the video is now available.

Very soon I'm going to be making further modifications to my car in the quest for better mileage. Someone early on told me that I should be getting 70MPG on the highway, and I just figured that he was exaggerating - that he was all hot about selling the technology and had become what I call a cheerleader (if you know what I mean), however as you know I'm now getting very close to 40 MPG on the highway - and it was only scant weeks ago that I thought that was impossible. Hey I haven't tried the PVC Enhancer; the Fuel Heater or any gas additives. I've been running with my AC on. I'm not all that careful with my starts and stops, and I sometimes wait for my wife or my kid with the motor running and the AC on at the same time! Get it? I have room to grow and new things to explore. However the AC stays on. I like to be cool:-)

My current w4g set up is as follows:

Two (Single Vacuum Line Style) Electrolyzers connected in series

No line to the Air intake
No Vacuum Line Check Valves - (with four feet of vacuum line going to the manifold)
1 1/4 teaspoon Baking Soda in each
Each Tower has 1/4 inch notching - (accepting longer wire for more surface area)
Positive Side wire - 60 inches - quadruple twisted 316 L
Negative side wire - 60 inches - double twisted 316L

MAP Enhancer

Pots set at approximately 10 on a scale that runs to 60

Oxygen Sensor

Formerly had a spacer on it which gave some benefit when no other enhancements were in place
IMPORTANT: Has now been disconnected from the system. - It was found to be in conflict with the MAP Enhancer.

Later,

j

Highway Mileage - or - I Went Kayaking Yesterday...

2008-08-03T10:57:00.000-07:00

As a transplant from the western part of the US into the environment of the big city life of New York I've brought a long some habits that do not break easily. The first and foremost of these habits is the use of my car: I will go to a grocery store that I like better because it has a parking lot and wide aisles simply because I have the mobility to do so. I love to drive. (there I said it. Hello - My name is Jon and I love to drive.) Anyway it is the nature of that that type of driving that I've been reporting on for very nearly every post on this blog, but yesterday was different... My wife and I bought inflatable kayaks for one another for our last anniversary and we've been using them locally - locating the "launch sites" around the city that looked on the surface to be interesting. As it turns out the phrase on the surface it the operative term here since pretty much everything under the surface is polluted and disgusting. We made the decision that we no longer wanted to immerse our new toys into disgusting water. You see where I'm going here? We loaded everything including our 16 year old son Josh into the car and headed out to Shelter Island (a place that we visit when we can. Over the past few years we gone out there for sailing and kayaking many times, and we knew in advance that the experience would be idyllic and we were not disappointed. We rented a Kayak for Josh and off we went. It was a perfect day.

I know, I know it sounds really nice, but it gets better! As you know I got darn good mileage the last time out, so naturally I wouldn't miss this opportunity to see what I'd get on the highway.

39.29 MPG

Uh thank you - I don't know what to say - this award means so much to me. I want to thank my producer and director - stand up and take a bow guys... This is for all of the people on the crew and my co-stars Georgina and Josh, and and, and, all of the little people who sacrificed so much so that the rest of us could go on to glory. Yes I know the music's playing, and they want me to go, but I haven't said everything that I...

That's Impressive! (and Counterintuitive)

2008-07-29T07:53:00.001-07:00

The first receipt on the right shows the results of my new set up using two Electrolyzers connected in series with one teaspoon of Baking Soda in each , the Oxygen Sensor out of the system altogether, and the MAP Sensor Enhancer working perfectly - and yet my mileage stinks! (comparatively that is) If you've been following along you will know that 21.89 is pretty much what my car gets without enhancement of any kind. - And some of the mileage is on the highway...

The second receipt however (on the left) shows something very different at 27.41 MPG - it shows my best mileage ever!

Yippie!

So the question is what's different? Well it's something pretty simple and still makes my head hurt to think about it. It's the setting on the MAP Enhancer! - and this is the counterintuitive part: following directions I set the enhancer by leaning it out until the car stalled out and then came back a quarter turn, but that quarter turn in my mind was a quarter of the way back from where the car stopped chugging - but that was wrong. It wasn't enough. After I saw the crummy results I turned the rheostat back even further. To put this in perspective: the car was chugging at 30 - I turned it back to 20 which resulted in zero gain as shown on the Exxon receipt. After that fill up I turned it back to 10 and gained significantly! In other words trying to run too lean resulted in worse mileage.

Now let me be clear that this is not information that did not have in the first place through my interaction with Vernon Minton at HHO Development. He originally sent me instructions that included the following information:

MAXIMIZE BENEFITS
MAXIMIZE BENEFITS
One recent set of road tests (6-16-07) averaged 52.4% better mileage. But, tests from a week earlier on the same car averaged
only 24.5%. Actually, 22% if you discount idling. WHY such great difference?
The secret of the BIG DIFFERENCE between the two test groups: The later and more successful one got MORE THAN DOUBLE the average gain because the MPG was not dialed to near choke point. It was about 1/4 tum closer to factory setting!
Don't overwork the engine by leaning it too much - play around until you find the PERFECT BALANCE point.

Now did I listen to that? - Well I tried but I couldn't bring myself to believe that less is more - however as it turns out - that is exactly the case. The image of the Enhancer above is the one currently in my car. The setting that you are looking at is my current setting which does not mean that it is the setting that your car should be at, but learn by my experience - again the car bucked at the 30 setting - would run at 20 no problem (but without gain in MPG) and really gets the job done at 10... There ya' go.

Just FYI - I've just added a 1/4 teaspoon of Baking Soda to the Electrolyzers. Onward and upward:-)

See ya' next time.

Same Day New Post - Gas Shenanigans

2008-07-24T14:06:00.000-07:00

Hey I found the best gas price in town! Uh well no I didn't 'cause once I was in the station I discovered that there was a dollar surcharge because I dared to use my Debit Card to pay. But hey I figured I was already in the place and I wanted to get gas and I know already that I would never go back to a place that would play games like that. I didn't need that much gas anyway... I filled up and paid and because I'm always curious to see how much I'm putting in the tank I couldn't help but notice that the amount of gallons on the receipt was more than the amount shown on the pump. This receipt is a bit hard to read but it does show 3.434 gallons when what I actually got was 3.195 gallons. It's not much but I noticed and when I asked the attendant/owner what was going on he told me that the extra dollar was represented as fuel! Can this be legal? Anyway it's the only reason that I bothered to put this receipt up for viewing since it only partially representing a w4g result. I went about 35 miles using nothing but the Oxygen Spacer after which I installed the new stuff and disconnected the Oxygen Sensor from the system altogether. So 23.09 MPG is the result but that really tells nothing at all, so let's not focus on it... okay? I'll be back in a few days to spill the beans.

On the Road Again

2008-07-24T04:39:00.000-07:00

Well yesterday was the big day. I installed the newest of the new MAP Enhancer's and took the opportunity to essentially start all over again with my set up. The first thing I did was to pull the negative cable from the battery so that the computer could reset while I worked on everything. Although I have mentioned that I've been told that removing both cables and touching them together would do the same trick - I figure that since I have the time to use the tried and true "traditional" method - why not?

The phenomenon of the nearly magnetic attraction of this technology became apparent within about 4 minutes of the time I popped the hood - I was joined by three guys, a woman and a Cocker Spaniel from the neighborhood. Everyone wants to know what's going on with the gadgets in my car. Of course this comes along with people who think that they know stuff like how to connect wires. I had to explain several times to one of my pals that I was connecting the two units in series, and that I really meant to do it that way...-)

The image above shows the new installation in action. That little crate thing I put the Electrolyzers in came from the Dollar Store (although it cost like $3.00) and gave them a pretty stable platform to put them on after I took a pair of cutters to it to give me room for the air intake duct leading to my injector. I'm placing another closeup image here since I'm pretty proud of myself at this moment. You'll see lots of indications showing the Positive and Negative terminals since I didn't happen to have any red and black paint around (not that it did me all that much good when I had it before.

Here's a hint about putting the angle fitting(s) in the cap to accept the vacuum line(s): each end of the fitting has a kind of lip or barb around the edge making it very difficult to push through the hole. So take a pair of shears or a wire cutter and cut just above that lip and then push it through the hole. Ozzie's books show that a 1/4 inch nut is twisted down over that inner piece sticking downward through the cap. I found it much better to use a lock washer for the purpose to holding it firmly in place before sealing with Goop.

I must admit that felt exceptionally confident with what I was doing this time around in that I personally built my Electrolyzers. Not only that, but these Electrolyzers contain laser-cut and notched towers that I personally designed, 316L wire that I personally braided and lovingly wrapped on each one, and the laser-cut caps topping everything off were those that I produced as well. Each item attached to the cap was one that I personally attached and sealed with Goop. What I am saying here is that I know that these are exactly what they need to be. I am not relying on anyone else for the physical condition of these Electrolyzers. Why is that important to me? Have you read the earlier posts in this blog? Everything is important. Each small component, each procedure, each element is meant to be perfect in its own way. Does this mean that I can't goof? Again, I ask if you've read earlier posts:-) The thing is that I do learn from my mistakes. The last one cost me $60.00 and it was worth every nickel. If it had cost me $6000.00 I must admit I might feel differently. Nevertheless my lesson has been learned and I know to be careful with each and every part. The information in the Water4Gas books is meant to be our guide, but I'm pretty sure that I can't be the only one who thinks that I can go along and easily do what's been described, but doing it my own way (an example of this is that I tried other glues in place of Goop. Just FYI Gorilla Glue and Silicone do not work properly as sealers) and expect to get the described results. It's in my nature to explore the boundaries and expand beyond what I already know. The truth however is that it's important for me to know the basics before I move ahead with my brilliant ideas. Ozzie has provided an amazing blueprint for us, but that's a jumping off point and we all know it. My issue generally stems from thinking that I know everything before I really know it. Still all in all I'm having a blast. The progress I've made in understanding how my car works and what certain things are supposed to do is remarkable in just two months - especially considering that when I put my first Electrolyzer in the car I had to as my mechanic what the vacuum lines looked like. So far so good.

I'm going to head out and fill the tank so that I can get an accurate measurement on the results.

Life is Indeed Strange

2008-07-18T13:51:00.000-07:00

As you know I've been going through every possible craziness as I move along in my quest for mileage. At this point I have a pretty clear understanding that my MAP Enhancer on the Highway setting somehow had a dead short. I also want to make this clear. I sent off a note to Mr. Minton, the man I purchased my Enhancer from and within an hour or so he called me on the phone. Again he demonstrates his integrity, and is sending a replacement. He will also pull the device I've been using apart so that he can find out what went wrong. As far as I can tell this could have happened to anyone. Nevertheless it's happened to me, and in the interests of telling everything - I feel obligated to tell this as well. To put this in perspective I recently sold 100 of the towers to one of my customers in North Carolina. I received a call from her and she told me that 34 of the towers would not go together without splitting. I immediately sent out replacements. She told me that it seemed as though some of the tower pieces were thicker than others and I wondered aloud how that could possibly be. Well as it turns out she was right! and for the very first time ever I was wrong:-) Can you believe it? - Seriously though, as it happens, when very large shipments of sheet Plexiglas come in they can be ever so slightly different in thickness, and that is exactly what happened - the towers that she received were partially made from one run of the sheets, and the rest from another. The point it is that weird things happen, and all we can do is make sure that no one suffers from those occurrences. I took care of the problem for her and Vernon is taking care of the problem for me. When we come together as people of honor there is no fault, no blame - only solutions.

Now about that receipt you're looking at above - I got 23.37 MPG without the Electrolyzer or the MAP Enhancer working! The only thing I had going for me was the Oxygen Sensor Spacer. The gain I've been getting for the last several fill-ups apparently is from that device alone. What a surprise that turns out to be - especially since, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the next move I intend to make once I install the new MAP Enhancer - is to remove the sensor from the system altogether - to allow the Enhancer to control the amount of gas being used. I still intend to do that and let the results fall where they may. We shall see. We shall see.

Attaching An Electrode Wrapped Tower to the Cap

2008-07-14T07:31:00.000-07:00

I've been asked several times to post this video, so here it is.

I hope that it helps.

Again I want to reiterate I am not the expert in any of this. I am just a person learning about a new technology like the rest of you. Still, while I may not know everything that there is to know about HHO and Water4Gas technology it just happens that I am very knowledgeable about how things go together, how to solve difficult spacial problems, and how to make things happen in a logical sequence. One of my previous occupations was as a master art-mold maker. The trick in that task is to know how to look at an original work made of wood, clay, wax or whatever - revolve it in space three dimensionally in one's mind - imagine the desired end result of a finished work of bronze art - and then begin creation of the mold with that final image in mind. I guess that I just know how to make things work.

A Frank Analysis of The Problem

2008-07-13T11:42:00.000-07:00

As it happens I have somehow been elected to represent all of those people who charge forward and get things wrong, and make mistakes, and have a need to find out how to come back from barriers that on the surface - point to failure, but on re-examination point to a greater wealth of knowledge than could be gained without the problem... (Unless of course someone else has done it for you:-) Anyway, I now know that the problem that I experienced the other day had nothing to do with the new MAP Enhancer. In that light I've created another of my little videos that shows pretty clearly what I did, where I went wrong, and obviously - what not to do.

Even though I now know the source of the problem I've not completely solved everything related to it. I know that the short in the system originally took place in the Electrolyzer, and I've made the correction by replacing it altogether, however somehow that short affected my Air Conditioner, and as I investigated further before finding the problem - has now caused additional problems with my radio. - I've scheduled an appointment with my mechanic tomorrow morning. Hopefully, it's not huge -but really I have no idea on what his findings will be. (I know that you all have your fingers crossed for me.) With any luck it will cost me enough to make me overly cautious in the future, but not so much that I'm freaking out.

BTW - you heard it right in the video - the melting temperature of Plexiglas is 270 F.

Also I want to mention one other thing here: one of my customers, a man I would now consider as a friend, Alan was doing a bit of experimenting one day last week, and came across something very important. He attached an Electrolyzer to a 12 volt battery, and fortunately for everyone involved - left it in the corner of his barn, and walked away from it intending to leave it on all night to see if it would continue to pump out HHO. When he returned a few hours later he discovered that it had BLOWN UP! - Never, never, never connect the Electrolyzer without having the generated gas drawn off by a vacuum. Alan made this mistake for the rest of us. We owe him our sincere thanks. Please don't duplicate it. Stay safe.

I spoke with someone yesterday who is very knowledgeable in this area, and he mentioned something else very important to all of us, and that is that right now this community is sort of flying under the radar, but if it ever occurs that there is a really bad accident involving HHO and water4gas - that flight will be over. I encourage everyone to be extremely careful - don't play with HHO gas anymore than you would play with a live high voltage electrical line.

'Nuff said, right? Now, let's go change the world.

Now that I've Achieved Consistancy I Also Have a New Problem

2008-07-10T16:05:00.000-07:00

As much as I'd like to deliver good news all of the time it's jut not possible...
I have another issue that came up for me this afternoon and I'm trying to figure it out, and see how it all relates. Here's the scenario: Georgina and I have driven into Manhattan to deliver some things to a friend who happens to be a shut-in recovering from an operation. It's hot and muggy. The AC is on. So anyway I get on the FDR Drive and switch the MAP Enhancer over from "City" to "Highway" at which point the AC dies as do the cooling fans behind the radiator (which I do not know until I get to where we're going and the car begins to overheat sitting at a traffic light. My wife goes in and delivers the packages and I try to figure out what's going on. I let the car cool off and add some distilled water (which I happen to have in the trunk at all times). I see that the fuse to the AC has blown and I happen to have a replacement which I put in. Then I see that the Electrolyzer does not come on when I turn the key in the ignition. I check it's fuse and it is not blown. At the moment it's looking like the AC relay may be dead, but I cannot figure out the cause. Is it all unrelated stuff, or have I done something really wrong? At the moment I simply do not know. The most recent adjustments that I've made to the system are these: I added another half teaspoon of Baking Soda to the water bring my content up to 2 teaspoons; the new Electrolyzer tower is notched every quarter inch and the windings have increased accordingly; I removed the check valve from the vacuum line going to the manifold, and I plugged the other vacuum line with a bolt so that it no longer connects to the air filter housing. That's it - the only thing electrical in all of that - is the Baking Soda. Seems like I'm grasping at straws. Is it possible that even though the original MAP Sensor has been replaced with a new one - could the new one be equally goofed but in a different way? Dunno. I'm going to copy/paste all of the above onto the w4g forum and see if anyone of the mucky-mucks can figure out what's up. Once I have an answer I will post back here.

On another subject I want to pass along something that was kindly passed to me by a friend of mine - Henry in Taiwan (hello Henry:-), I think that nearly everyone will find it very interesting. It on the subject of Oxygen Sensors... copy/paste begins Henry,
There are a few things you can do with the O2 sensors once you've put in the DEMSE. Remember, only mess with the O2 sensor(s) before the catalytic converter, not the one(s) after.

1. Leave the O2 sensors alone. This will probably not work. Usually, when faced with an 'enhanced' signal from the MAP sensor, the ECU will apparently ignore it and only look at the O2 sensor input.

2. Try one of the O2 sensor enhancers -
a) foil wrapping - I have not seen this work for many people.
b) O2 extenders/oxyisolators - I also have not seen this work for many.
c) EFIE - you can adjust the O2 sensor output. This is rather pricey, but works.

3. Disconnect the O2 sensors before the catalytic converter. This is what Ozzie does. Make sure you wrap the disconnected plugs so they don't get damaged. This is the way to go, if you're going to have a MAP sensor enhancer. The ECU will not be able to look at the O2 sensor signal, because there isn't one - it is forced to take the ECU signal. Your Check Engine light will go on, but you'll be prepared for it. Just ignore it.

Happy Mileage!
JJ Ferretti
Tech Support copy/paste ends

Now I gotta say - I have the spacer on my sensor and I cannot really tell if it's doing anything or not - but I am opting for the Number three solution. If it's good enough for Ozzie - it's good enough for me.

New Video - How to Wrap the Wires

2008-07-08T23:38:00.000-07:00

So many of you have sent me messages of thanks for the other video on the same subject, so I do understand that it was helpful, and I'm really happy about that. I do however think that this one should be all the more useful since, thanks to my son Josh, my hands remain on the screen at all times.-)

Obviously this one is concentrated on wrapping the tower with 1/4 inch notching, but the principle remains the same for any one of them.

I've also realized that I might make things easier if I include links here to the other two videos that relate to assembling the two parts of the tower and the original one on wrapping the electrode wires onto a tower...

Latest Mileage and Other Interesting Stuff

2008-07-07T19:20:00.000-07:00

Well it's been a busy week and I'm finally getting around to updating my progress, and I want to state for the record - that it is indeed progress. Oh sure I've been boohooing about how I want consistency and high numbers and it finally got through to me that, at this point, I am getting the consistency part of the equation - 23.3 is a consistent gain of 2 extra miles that I'm getting from each gallon of gas. Correct - it's not huge, but it is after all there.

So what's missing? I have the MAP Enhancer doing it's job; the Oxygen Spacer is in place, a new Electrolyzer has been added. I've been told that adding more baking soda is the next step to take (short of putting in a second Electrolyzer) in getting more HHO from my single unit. Other people warn me that if I use too much baking soda I might melt the tower. - To address that issue at least: one thing is easy to look up online, and that is the melting temperature of Plexiglas. That process happens at 270 degrees Fahrenheit. If I begin to generate that kind of temperature there's one thing that will happen long before the Plexiglas melts: all the water would boil away. Clearly, the melting of the plastic is not an issue. I just added another half teaspoon. We'll see what happens. Also it has been suggested to me that the check valve in my line going to the manifold could be removed to allow a greater flow of HHO. I do have a four foot vacuum line there so I'm pretty clear that there's no danger of getting a spark kicked back into the Electrolyzer, but I'm gong to ask around some more to make very sure about that before I do it. It does make a certain kind of sense after all, but my wife would be pretty angry with me if I blew up the car.-)

There are all kinds of people now letting their creative juices flow - making all kinds of new units. Some of them are pretty interesting - composed of rods and plates, some are larger, and are constructed of new materials. Some are touted as more powerful (and maybe they are), but the one thing that I know for sure is that the original technology, as described in great detail complete with do-it-yourself plans - works. This is where we all must begin to gain a greater understanding of what it is we're dealing with. Harnessing it and playing with it and experimenting with it are exactly the kinds of things that need to be done to lead us all to the next step. Not so many months ago if someone had asked me if water could be ignited I would have laughed at the ridiculous nature of the question. Now that concept is the source of the name of my website. It is the nature of the device that I have added to my car that is without question improving my mileage. The idea that water can, and does, burn is now an obvious truth.

This ongoing exploration and expansion of our technology (something that should have been done over the last 50 years by large automakers), is taking us into a world that has been described by one of my new friends in the water4gas community, Stephanie, as a Silent Storm. We are that storm. We are, as a community of seekers, individually extracting ourselves, our friends, our neighbors, and ultimately our customers from the clutches of Big Oil. Not all at once but a step at a time. Many of us are looking to have this happen within an underlying framework of integrity. Treating one another as fellow travelers rather than competitors we will change more than just the way we fuel our automobiles. We could change the world. It is possible. Certainly as possible as burning water. We are not large corporate entities who have no responsibility to any but their stockholders. We are just people who care about what happens to others. If we each adhere to the truth, as we know it, and keep telling it as long as we know it, and continue to explore how what we're doing can transform the planet into what it was meant to be all all along - we will certainly find that we are doing exactly the right thing at exactly the right moment in time.

To misquote Lao Tzu for my own purposes, "Every journey begins with a single step." Well my friends I believe that we have taken it.

How to Install the MAP Sensor Enhancer

2008-07-04T07:57:00.000-07:00

In the past I have asked the same question and it was answered for me by Mr. Minton. Now a man named Eric has asked the question of me and I promised to post the following information here. I am placing a copy/paste of Mr. Minton's instructions to me - as well as a diagram that I created and he kindly corrected for me: copy/paste begins - There are three wires coming out of the MAP Sensor. One is the Ground, one is the 5 volt Sensor Power, and the third is the MAP Sensor Signal to the Car's computer, the ECM. You cut the third wire and splice each end to the MAP Sensor Enhancer according to your instructions.

There are three wires coming out of the MAP Sensor Enhancer. One is Black; connect this to a wire that is attached to your cars frame or similar location. The other two wires are spliced onto the two ends of your MAP Sensor. The Red wire connects to the MAP Sensor signal wire and the Brown wire connects to the wire going to the ECU. When connecting the Enhancer be sure the dials are set to "0". Once you have it installed, turn the lower switch to "Enhanced" and the upper switch to "City". Then slowly turn the "City" dial until your engine starts to sputter, then turn the dial back 1/4 turn.

The following website http://www.hhodevelopment.com/introsupport.htm will explain everything you need to know about the installation. Also, you will need to add an Oxygen Sensor Extender to your O2 Sensor. If you have duel exhausts, you will need two. Your O2 Sensor is located on your exhaust manifold before the catalytic converter. - copy/paste ends

If anyone else has anything to add or subtract from this please do so as a comment for everyone to see and benefit from.

Changed Out the Original Electrolyzer

2008-07-02T07:09:00.000-07:00

As you can see I've laid these two towers side by side to compare the differences. Naturally, the one on the right is the one that I built and wrapped, and this photo was taken before I installed it in the car. So it's obvious that it is perfectly clean and has no residue on it. The other - is the one that's been in my car for a bit longer than a month and yes it's nasty looking, but more than that - now that I know what I'm actually looking at: there are very few winds of the electrode wire and worse than that I notice that the negative wire is beginning to rust! This means that this wire is not 316L stainless steel. This means that what I've had sort of working in my car was not made properly and was not made using quality materials. I will not divulge the name of the person who sold it to me, rather I will simply encourage everyone to use the best materials and to treat others in the water4gas community as though they were members of your family. This is not only about the integrity of the product - it is also about allowing people to have the best possible experience as they begin to explore this technology. Let's not discourage others through a greater desire to make money than to have people know that this really works.

When my MAP Sensor Enhancer was not working I could not know until Mr Minton informed me of what had happened. The reality that my electrolyzer in all probability has never worked properly is something I had to discover for myself. If I were not moving along in my quest for understanding I might not have made the discovery. I might have gotten discouraged and even given up never knowing that I was so close.

Anyway the new electolyzer is in the car. All of the areas where it might leak (sucking air through the lid or around the electrical posts) have been carefully sealed. I switched out the universal vacuum fitting for a fitting that exactly fits my hoses. The one thing that I've not yet figured out is how much baking soda to use in the electrolyzer with so many more windings. I will find out and report back here.

One other thing: As soon as I put the new Electrolyzer I went ahead and refilled the tank so that I'd be getting a more accurate measurement for the next posting. It amount that I put in was insignificant and I did not recored that mileage.

Also I just put up the new website www.ignitingwater.com where I am selling support products for water4gas.

Mileage report with the new Enhancer

2008-06-28T14:50:00.000-07:00

I'm in that spot again. I want to talk about the incredibly great mileage that I'm getting now that I have placed all of my ducks in a row, however I can't do it! Sure, 23.6 MPG is better than I was doing, but let's face it - I've seen 26. I want 26 again. I want 40!

As most of you must know by now I am fairly persistent, and I'll not let this go until I get what I want. There are certainly enough of you now encouraging me, and telling me that it is possible. Telling me about your Toyota getting mileage that I only dream about. - Thanks a lot. No really, all kidding aside - thank you all.

My thought as I sit here writing this is that I'll go back to the Electrolyzer and put in a new tower with my own windings on it - In the last day I've started producing and selling 1/4" thick towers with notches at the 1/4" so there are nearly twice as many windings apparently producing twice as much HHO so that my car can run leaner. (Thanks to Rod and Steph for cluing me into new info from Ozzie) I expect that I'll have time to do that on Monday.

I feel that I should mention this: The Electrolyzer that I have on my car is not one of the one's that I've made. Rather it is the original one that I bought as a completed item (it has glue on the coils which is obviously something I personally identified as a problem. "Why then," you ask with a look of stunned amazement at my stupidity, "didn't you put one of your own creations on?" - It's a damned good question. I suppose the only real answer is - that I got caught up in the fact that it has worked in the past, and I've been busy: the sales of the towers have taken up a surprising amount of time. More to the point - it didn't occur to me that it might not be delivering the amount of HHO that my car actually needs. (Although that leaves me wondering why it did what it did in the first place.) Nevertheless, I'm now about to remedy that situation.

The way things stand at the moment is that I am in the midst of an experiment, and as it happens I am one of the factors in that experiment. I may well have done something wrong (though I have no idea what) - it might not be my influence at all. I will find out and hopefully this excursion of mine will assist the rest of you.

So one more time I've taken another step. At least it's not a step backward as some others have been, and it's even a slight move forward. Bottom line: I want a giant step forward. Don't we all?

Also I want to add a quick note about the towers: one of my clients let me know that when he was wrapping the electrode wires on one of the 1/8" thick versions he cracked it in half. This is the first and only incidence of this that I know about. I have replaced it with a 1/4" version at my expense. All I can say is that I have personally wrapped about 20 of these things without problem and I expect that it may be as simple as my having a lighter touch. In the last day I've also replaced one of the 1/4" towers - it broke in the mail. What the Post office needed to do to make that happen is almost beyond belief. I guess that I'm just saying that things happen and I will always stand behind my products. If you think that you might be very strong or just want to wrap wires really tight - go for the 1/4" towers.

See you next time I fill up - or before if I think of something really profound to say. - Yeah right.

One last thing waterxfuel is soon to become ingitingwater. Watch for it.

I just put the new MAP Enhancer in.

2008-06-24T11:59:00.000-07:00

The wait is over and I've got the new Enhancer in place. I asked for and received the following instruction on how to set up the City side of the Enhancer: When connecting the Enhancer be sure the dials are set to "0". Once you have it installed, turn the lower switch to "Enhanced" and the upper switch to "City". Then slowly turn the "City" dial until your engine starts to sputter, then turn the dial back 1/4 turn. I expect that this will come in handy for anyone going down this path.

ADDED NEXT DAY: I also asked for and received the following information on how to set the Highway side of the Enhancer: The Highway setting is for speeds above 40 mph. Match the HWY Dial to your City setting. After reaching a speed of 40 mph, switch to your dial to HWY and lean it out until your comfortable with your setting. Be careful and do this slowly. You don't want your engine to die at that speed. Also remember, when you want to pass or go up a steep incline, switch your lower switch to Factory so you will have all the power you need. Good info for all.

As I said in the last post I waited to fill up until I got the new gadget, so here are the results - as you can see I didn't do as badly as I'd expected since this works out to 22.9 MPG - (lets call it 23 why don't we) which is nearly couple of miles-per beyond my norm. This was obtained with the Oxygen Sensor Spacer installed as well as the HHO Generator. I suppose if I'd done the battery trick I would have done even better. It just occurred to me, (as I wrote that last line) that I didn't do it when I did the install - so I promise to go out and do it in a little while so that everything starts from an even base.

Wish me luck since my luck will also be yours...

Waiting waiting waiting

2008-06-23T18:57:00.000-07:00

Today I waited all day long to receive my replacement MAP Enhancer. The Post Office taunts me with their insane tracking method which lets me know that it has arrived in the local station. Yet, I still do not have it! (See me thrumming my fingers on the desk.) Tomorrow is the day. (One can only hope.) Once I have it installed I'll put gas in my half full tank and report the results of having the Electrolyzer and the Oxygen Sensor Spacer in place. My hopes are not high. I did not bother to reset the computer with the disconnect the battery trick. Figured to do that when I put in the new Enhancer. On the other hand, one of my clients gave me new trick (you know who you are but I've forgotten - please write in as a comment to identify yourself - and I'll inform the readers of your ability to provide awesome information). Instead of pulling the the negative cable and leaving it off for 20 to 30 minutes - pull both cables off and touch them together. Reportedly it will do the same reset without the wait. Now, that's great... Thanks to that guy from all of us...

On the Subject of Brittle Wires

2008-06-19T08:54:00.000-07:00

I've received several calls from people who are having a problem with the electrode wires that they are twisting up for themselves (not those that I sell) snapping while they're attempting to twist them up with a drill. Personally, I have not had this experience, but from what I've gathered from those discussions is that some 316L wire is somehow impregnated with silicone and has the designation 316Lsi. I would advise against that purchase since it seems to be at the heart of the problem. The wire that I use comes from a company called McMaster-Barr (link provided) and these are the specs that you want when ordering:

Material	Super Corrosion-Resistant Stainless Steel (Type 316/316L)
Finish/Coating	Matte
Shape	Wire
Wire Type	Standard
Diameter	.032"
Tolerance	Standard
System of Measurement	Inch
Material Certification	Without Material Certification
Gauge	20 AWG
Specifications Met	Not Rated

I encourage anyone who wishes to do so to order from them and twist up your own wires. For those of you who do not want to deal with that - as you may know by now - I sell the complete pre-cut and twisted wire sets for $6.50 [additional info added 7/6/08: for the 30 inch sets and $15.00 for the 60 inch sets] which I see as a very reasonable price for the service.
It's all good.

How to Wrap the Electrode Wires

2008-06-18T12:23:00.000-07:00

So yeah. I know that my hands drift out of the screen a few times, but I think that the video is good enough for the time being. I promise to redo it - soon. In the meanwhile please use it and see if it doesn't help you to figure this process out. Personally, I believe in a hands on approach and everyone would best be served by grabbing up a tower and going for it. The worst that could possibly happen would be that you'd do it wrong and have to start over again.

What follows is a copy/paste of a text description of wrapping the electrode wires that I wrote out for one of my clients: at the top of the assembled tower run the first wire through one of the holes there. Do this from the top down so that the looped end (to be attached to the electrode post) is at the top with enough room to make the connection to the post. Begin wrapping the wire - beginning by dropping down a couple of notches. Continue to wrap - skipping every other notch until you reach the bottom where you will push the end of that wire into one of the holes there - and give it a good bend to keep it in place. Repeat the process with the other wire - in the opposite hole on the top and placing it into the notches that you skipped before.. Just remember you're winding in the same direction as the first wire.

Hopefully, between the video (even flawed as it is) and the description you'll find this part of the process relatively easy.

Everyone please feel free to comment, ask questions or make suggestions. - you know the rules:-)

How to assemble the two parts of the tower.

2008-06-17T10:03:00.000-07:00

Several people who've purchased the uniquely designed electrolyzer towers from me - have asked how to put the two pieces together, so I've cooked up a little flick (very short) to show just how it's done. When I have a few moments to produce my next extravaganza - I will also upload a video demonstrating how to properly lay in the electrode wires. I hope that this is helpful.

Anyone interested in purchasing towers can just look over at the the sidebar on the right of this blog to see how to do that. Or just write to me at waterxfuel@gmail.com with: how many you want - the thickness you want (1/8 or 1/4 inch) - and the state you live in.

The Mystery May Well Be Solved

2008-06-17T09:51:00.000-07:00

So I did find that air leak but it really seemed to me to be a rather insignificant leak - still I was grasping at straws. I just knew that I had to have done something wrong. Well as it turns out it wasn't me at all. The MAP Enhancer that I bought from Vernon Minton was faulty, and the fact is that if he'd not written to tell me about it I never would have known:

Dear Mr. Ellis

The MAP Enhancer we delivered to you may have one or more defective parts. Please ship this unit back to us at: [Address deleted by Jon]

After removing the unit from your system, be sure to reconnect the MAP Sensor Signal wires. If you have a HHO Generator installed, remove the fuse until you re-install your MAP Enhancer.

After we receive the unit, we will immediately priority mail you a new one and credit your PayPal account for the shipping.

We apologize for this inconvenience. If you have any questions, please use this email address.

Thanks,

Vernon F Minton
Once again Mr. Minton has demonstrated his integrity and I for one appreciate it. It would have taken me forever and a day to figure out that something was wrong with the Enhancer. Sure it 's a hassle but such thing happen with computer and TV and what-all, and I've never once had a note from Sony telling me that there was a problem with something that they sold me and that they wanted to make it right. If I found something wrong it's always been up to me to discover it and then go through the maze of telephone robots to get satisfaction.
Rock on Vernon!

I hate to say this, but...

2008-06-16T05:31:00.000-07:00

As I've mentioned before I do feel a desire to lie at times like these. I want this to work. When it does work I'm totally jazzed about it. I don't want to report that I'm having a problem. I want to inflate the figures so that this technology will appear to be working better than the results that I am currently experiencing would indicate, but I'm not going to do it! The reality is what it is. As you can see I got approximately 19.6 MPG. Again this is less than I get with no enhancement of any kind. Am I frustrated? YES! Will I give up? No because the fact is that I've seen it work with my own eyes and I expect to see it again. Clearly, I'm doing something wrong and I will get the information that I need to do it right. I happen to be a very persistent person.

In the light of the above I've posted the following in the W4G forum: Ok now I'm totally baffled. I have the MAP Enhancer installed, and can actually hear the difference when switching between "Factory" and "Enhanced." I have a spacer in the upstream Oxygen sensor. I've reduced the amount of baking soda in the electrolyzer to 3/4 tsp. I've made sure that my vacuum lines are as open as possible (cut back the "T's" and reamed them out) - And my mileage is back to 19 MPG! Remember that without any H.H.O. device I was getting 21 MPG... I don't mind being the guinea pig, but I'm actually wasting fuel at a time when that should be considered to be a sin.

I will post the answers here and I will peruse any viable solution and post those results as well. BTW - I filled the tank before hitting the highway yesterday and the round trip was 22.6 miles. At this point I don't know if there was a gain of any kind, but I just thought I'd let you know that that mileage will be included when I post the next results.

UPDATE (a few hours later): I just received this answer to my query: I hope you don't mind me putting in my $0.27 (inflation). I've followed your posts and you see saw mpg's and frankly, I'm (almost) baffled also. The almost is the reason for this letter. That and the fact that I agree about wasting gas should almost be a crime. Of course, some experimentation is justifyable.

So, the thing is, I have posted about the lids on the H.H.O. units not sealing well, and was wondering if you have checked for this problem?
Remember, though they might have sealed when installed, the plastic lid has a tendancy to warp with heat. I use a water-proof silicone, "Form-A-Gasket", as I feel that it is flexible enough to "warp" with the lid.
As you know, excess air leaking into the jar would have the same effect as a leaky vacuum line, causing a loss of performance and lower mpg.

I so appreciate this guy - a really forthcoming person who is willing to share what he knows. So I just checked my electrolyzer for leaks and what do you know I found one! I am going to take care of that but I do wonder just a bit if it's so much more air leaking in than the bubbler delivers (which admittedly isn't much). We shall see. I continue to wait for other possible answers...

And Now For Something Different

2008-06-14T15:15:00.000-07:00

The conversation below is a direct Copy/Paste from my email. I figure what the heck. Everyone makes their own decisions based on how they feel anyway. So make your own decisions. Everyone is welcome to comment. Please keep it relevant and relatively clean. - Jon

CHRIS: I just wanted to mention that I read and enjoyed the entire blog that you posted (well most of it lol it is very extensive). I noticed that you have for sale the Plexiglas towers and I was wondering if you build them or are advertising for someone else. I actually manufacture the MAP Sensor Enhancers and sell them on eBay and now I am creating my own website. I was wondering if you would be interested in somehow linking to me or even putting a picture of mine on there or something? Basically I would like to work out some kind of deal where I can sell my MAP Sensor Enhancers on your site. I am not a big corporation just a hometown guy with a passion for electronics. I have been into the HHO stuff for a while and the MAP Sensor Enhancers have helped fund my business. Anyway let me know if you may be interested and regardless I will keep reading your blog.

Thanks, ~Chris

JON: I really do appreciate your kind words, but the fact is that I do not know you, nor can I vouch for the quality of your work or your personal integrity. And I am not in the business of advertising for others. Rather I am attempting to create a base of real information about something that, on the surface anyway, has every appearance of some kind of a scam. You an I know that this is not the case, but if I begin to post ads for others I'm afraid that it might skew my credibility. You do however sound exactly as if you are what you say you are. Meaning that you sound OK to me - and I'd like to support your efforts... Tell you what I will do, for the time being anyway, is this : I am willing to post a copy/paste of both sides of this conversation into the Water4Gas Report. Also, pass me the link to your website and give me permission to post your email address and I will put them up. Send along a photo if you like. What will happen after that is that I'll tag our conversation including your name and site name and invite others to post their experience with you. If that sounds fair just reply to this email with the information. Once I've received your email I will copy everything and post it.

In answer to your question - I personally designed these towers, cut the original prototypes, and have contracted directly with a friend of mine - who is the manufacturer.

Cordially,
Jon

CHRIS: That sounds great to me. I appreciate the help. My website is http://gvec.net/dbitsis/ and it is under construction sort of as I have just started it. It should mostly be there and I will be adding to it everyday. If you personally ever need to buy any MAP sensor enhancers or anything else I will be selling then we can definitely work out a deal. Attached is a picture that you can put somewhere if you would like. Again I thank you for the help as I am trying to get off the ground and off of ebay because it seems unfair the amount of fees they take from me. My name is really Daniel Bitsis, I just go by my middle name Chris since I am a junior.

Thanks, ~Chris

About That Oxygen Sensor Spacer

2008-06-13T13:51:00.000-07:00

Yesterday I made a valiant effort to install the thing and only managed to scrape my knuckles badly enough that they still hurt. It turns out that (at least for my car) you need a special wrench to pull the sensor out. My friend (and mechanic), Louie lent me the tool but the results were as stated above. Today I went back over to his shop and asked him to do the task for me - which he did in quick order and refused to accept payment. It took him all of 10 minutes. Experience and having the correct tool - counts.

So as you know I'd already put in the MAP Enhancer. So as a consequence of my failed attempt at installation - I'd already driven 29.4 miles - when the spacer was actually installed. So - I did drive around a bit with that piece of the puzzle missing, but also felt that I was getting a true gain that would show up with the spacer in or not. What happened next was unexpected but it was something that I noticed immediately upon driving out of Louie's shop: my MAP Enhancer needed to be readjusted to a leaner mixture. There was no doubt that something different was going on. It was unmistakable.

My next posting will contain my newest mileage stats, and for the first time they will reflect some highway driving. We intend to take the kayaks out for a spin tomorrow and will need to get to some interesting location - right? At least something more pristine than the East River.

Worst Mileage Ever

2008-06-12T06:47:00.000-07:00

That's right this works out to 17.7 MPG. I got 4 miles less per gallon than my car gets all on its own! The reasons are clear and they all come back to me: As I posted earlier I could see that the car was not doing as well as it should - but did I disconnect the negative terminal from the battery for half an hour to let the computer reset again? Nope - I didn't want to deal with having to reset the radio stations and the clock. OMG did that lazy attitude come back to bite me in the behind - especially when I just paid more per gallon than ever. Also, I was waiting for the overwhelming heat to go away so that I could install the MAP Sensor Enhancer, so I didn't go in to fill the tank until that was done - meaning that I paid more and and at the same time had to buy more. Sure I knew the cost of gas was going up - because these days it's always going up. All in all - painful.

On the other hand, I did get the Enhancer installed yesterday. Just to be on the safe side of getting things in order, while I did the installation I did disconnect the battery. There was some mention in the instructions that I got of disconnecting the upstream Oxygen sensor - but I couldn't figure out how to do that other than pulling the electrical line off - which amounts to the same thing. Reason: I want to put the spacer on and I'm waiting until I talk to my mechanic to see if he can tell me how to do that without wrecking it. (I'll report later on that.)

What I did do was get the MAP Enhancer online and working! As you might surmise - I am fairly well proud of myself. Choosing the correct wire seemed a real problem but once I got it - I got it. I can tell that it's doing what it's supposed to do by a very simple test. First I followed the directions for tuning it and found that spot for my car that works best. Then, while the car was sitting at an idle I flicked the setting from Enhanced to Factory. There is a very noticeable difference in the engine. It is unmistakable. I did it right. I expect that that difference will show up the next time I fill up ( and I won't be waiting so long until I do that - because I'm dying to see the results). It's all I can do to keep myself from just going out and driving around, but I'm really not all that willing to demonstrate how stupid I can be:-)

Another thing that I did while I was installing the Enhancer is that I took another look at the "T" connection for the vacuum lines connected to the Electrolyzer - I noticed that one of them appeared to be loose. It was - which certainly may be responsible for the terrible mileage. I just don't know. Still, I took a close look and realized that the Universal T is designed in a way that each end narrows further and further so that it can accept all sizes of lines. What this means is that for my car I had lines that didn't need to be as small at the ends as these were - so I cut them off with wire cutter and reamed them clean with an Exact-o blade. What this should mean is that I will get more vacuum pulling the HHO into the manifold.

I'm realizing more and more that each little thing is important. As always I'm learning at each step and with any luck you will be able to avoid the pitfalls through my missteps.

I'm getting to it...

2008-06-10T12:47:00.000-07:00

The fact is that even though I have the equipment I don't have a place in the shade to work in and sad but true the heat is too much to deal with. Out in it for ten minutes and literally felt nauseous! Generally I love the heat, but this is beyond anything. They say that it'll cool down later tonight, so tomorrow looks like the install day. Looked in the package and realized that I'd only ordered 1 Oxygen Sensor Spacer even though I knew I needed 2! Rats. I have the other one on order. I will install the one I have along with putting in the MAP Enhancer. Once I have those on the car I'll go put gas in it and I can tell that I've been wasting gas on this run. Hopefully my mistakes and falters will help the rest of you to avoid those things... Maybe not. Anyway, I'll report again as soon as I get things in order.

And on... and on...

2008-06-07T17:09:00.000-07:00

Well, I haven't filled up yet but I can make a pretty good guess that the mileage is not where I want it to be. I do have the MAP Sensor Enhancer in my possession and have spent several days looking at it (it's just my style to do it this way) and rounding up information on how to install it properly. I would have put it on today, but frankly it was just too damned hot out there ( a humid 96 degrees). Maybe tomorrow. Also, I have a couple of Oxygen sensor spacers coming in a day or so (hopefully Monday). Once I've installed everything I'll come back and reveal the mileage from this fill up and will zero out to be ready for the next one... The next one should be the real deal.

By the way I ordered my MAP Enhancer from a guy named Vernon Minton. The link on his name will take you to his website. I wanted to mention that there are people out there who might sell you one of these gadgets for a little less, but this is a guy who went the extra mile to help me to understand how to hook the darned thing up. Certainly a person worth knowing. His work, by the way, has every appearance and feel of the highest quality. Highly recommended.

I'll be back.

Did it Again!

2008-06-03T12:14:00.000-07:00

It's a fact! I was able to duplicate my first results which of course lead me to be so persistent in trying to work this technology out. As you can see I traveled 89.4 miles on 3.51 gallons of gas which means I got 25.47 MPG but it's even better than it looks because the last 2 miles or so I was in lots of stand-still traffic in Manhattan and I had the AC on. On top of that the car sat idling (again with the AC on) when some bozo ran into me and tried to drive off. (Everybody's fine) Well, the cops stopped him and I had to fill out all the usual rigmarole papers and blah-blah-blah. Why you ask was the car idling with the AC on? My lovely and beautiful wife Georgina was with me, and she needed it. 'Nuff said?

Anyway this is a real victory. What I want to see now is a consistent gain each and every time. That means that I need to put the MAP sensor on and figure out the oxygen sensor... There is a complexity to this, but I notice that once I get past my hesitation at doing something new - it becomes easy and natural.

If you want to check this technology out for yourself - this is the link

Yes, I do make money when you use the link to buy the books, but I would not encourage you to buy them unless I felt good about the product. Up until now I've felt good about it. Now, I feel great about it.

I encourage anyone to buy the books - buy the parts and begin your own local green revolution. I expect that as time goes on I will figure out how to do even better. I will begin to understand the technology in ways that I've not reached yet. My goals? The same as yours: to be free from Big Oil, to live on a healthy planet, to create a better future for my children.

Ahmmm Er Ah ...Hmmm

2008-05-30T12:41:00.000-07:00

My last tank of gas (a couple of days ago) netted me even less mileage that the one before that (like 18mpg!). Frankly it was so bad that I wanted to lie about it here - but that's not what this is about is it? Really, if I'd not seen the initial results I'd be in the dumps about this... However, I've been in contact with the people on the w4g forum and they assure me that all is well and that what has happened is that the computer in the car has detected the fact of something that it sees as being a problem re: I AM NOT USING ENOUGH GAS! - so it is working to compensate. Crazy no? Well, what I've done to test this out is I disconnected my negative terminal on the battery for 30 minutes and then reconnected. This is supposed to reset the computer. In the meanwhile I've ordered the MAP sensor and await its arrival. That device is supposed to take care of the problem once and for all and enable the car to make even further use of the HHO device. I'll keep you informed...

J

If you want to check this technology out for your self - this is the link

Oh-Oh Something's Gone Wrong

2008-05-24T19:16:00.000-07:00

Based on my commitment to testing this technology in a public way I'm obligated to report that this week things just don't look as good as my first weeks results. Since I was stumped I went to the online forum provided by Water4Gas for us members. What follows is a copy/paste of my communication with them:

My car is a 1997 Honda Civic. I installed the electrolyzer about two weeks ago. As noted in the description I recorded an immediate jump from 21mpg to 26mpg but today when I filled up it was down to 22mpg.-( Also, I'm seeing a much greater loss of water in the unit than I expected: just in this week traveling about 85 miles I lost half the water volume.

One other thing (though I have no idea if this has anything to do with anything) - I did discover that the negative terminal on the unit was slightly loose and I did tighten it up as I refilled with fresh distilled water and baking soda.
Just looking for advice. I've seen the possible results, and I'm totally jazzed about this tech. Now I'm looking for ongoing results that I can feel fully and confidently willing to share with others.
I get it: Water is Fuel,

J

Moderator: [i]sounds like you are making too much heat and boiling the water and injecting steam and not H.H.O.. Lower the baking soda and try again, or make sure the jar is not getting too much heat from the engine as well.[/i]

Me: That makes sense - I think that it must be the baking soda as I'm pretty sure that the jar is fairly well away from engine heat. I'll be making that adjustment first thing in the morning. I've been using a teaspoon of baking soda so I'll go for half that amount and see what happens. I love the combination of art and science. It appeals to me. Thanks so much for the information. I feel encouraged.

Moderator: [i]Also are you using a o2 sensor adjuster and a map adjuster as well?[/i]

Me: The truth is that I've haven't taken either of those steps yet. As it is I bought an assembled unit about two months ago, and didn't do anything with it other that taking it out of the box and looking at it - while I read over the materials. Even though I didn't think that anyone was lying to me I found that I just couldn't believe in any of this until I tested it out for myself, but I didn't want it to be proven false so... Well you see the dilemma that I put myself in:-) As of last week (when I got 26mpg) I began taking steps to gather the other items - so that I can take this thing all the way - and I won't be waiting any two months after I get them to put them to work on my car.

j

If you want to check this technology out for your self - this is the link

Bingo!

2008-05-18T14:17:00.000-07:00

I thought it only fitting to show the figures on the pump when I completed my fill-up this afternoon. Again this doesn't prove anything but I thought to show it would be better than not.

What I do notice on all of the receipts that they never fail to tell me to have a nice day and the reality of that is pretty much to give me a kiss with it - if you know what I mean...

The next photo is the one that I think that you'll agree - makes a difference.

...and there you have it.

69.7 miles divided by 2.666 =

26.1 mpg

in my 1997 H0nda Civic that currently smokes a bit in the mornings, but has otherwise been a fine car. Very zippy. It's a stick shift and as you can see it only has 85 thousand miles on it. Here's a little something that I figured out.

If I can get 26 mpg instead of 21 (and it's pretty clear that I can) - that will mean that for every full tank of 13.6 gallons I will be able to travel an extra 68 miles per tank which represents a savings of nearly $10.50 per tank at the price I paid today $4.02 - oh sorry right - that's $4.01 and 9/10ths - and all this time I've been fooled by that oh so very clever pricing statement.

Please note that I've not yet taken a road trip, and it's pretty clear that mileage on the highway should be significantly better - right? Yes, I am excited and have started to to work with a mechanic here in my neighborhood who will supply me with shop space to install these systems into cars right here in NYC.

I will continue to post mileage stats here at each opportunity. I promise to report both the good and the bad, although so far I've only experienced the good.

New York City - We have lift off!

Catch Up Time

2008-05-18T13:17:00.001-07:00

Okay, Okay I know that I've not kept up with this thing - but hey I've been busy with school and work and on and on - really no excuses are acceptable. So get over it or don't. Anyway, at this point no one's read any of this (at least no one has commented) but now we're getting to the meat of the matter...
To begin with here on the right are copies of my receipts for the last several weeks without photos of my odometer. Hey I didn't have my camera with me, and as I said if I wanted to - I could fake it anyway, but you better believe that I do have picture of it in the next posting. And truly- I did not and do not want to fake anything having to do with any of this because if this works it represents a significant alteration in the way we look at water and fuel and how we have been lead down a path that tells us that petroleum is the only way to go . So here we go:

63.3miles divided by 2.813gal = 22.5mpg (not sure how I did this:-)
89.3miles divided by 4.168gal = 21.4mpg
111.7 miles divided by 5.189gal = 21.5mpg
150.4 miles divided by 7.111 = 21.2mpg

So there you have it - average mileage for these four fill ups = 21.7 miles per gallon

The next post is where everything comes out. - It only represents one fill-up but I think that it's pretty revealing.

Continuing Mileage Stats Before Installation

2008-03-23T13:40:00.000-07:00

Last week I was not able to get a receipt for the gas (too long of a tale to tell) and felt that me just saying the numbers would not be fair. So I'm just going to let that go by the wayside and move on.

So, no image of the gas gauge this time (since it would prove nothing at all), but as you can see I drove 77 miles almost exactly. Actually, the gauge was in the middle of a roll up to 77.1, but I think that we can let that go. Strangely, last week's mileage numbers were very close to this, and I am seeing that my family does drive to certain locations quite consistently. Who knew? Perhaps there will be other unexpected discoveries in this process.

As you can see I put in 3.64 gallons. It was cool day (as usual around here right now) and I did achieve slightly better mileage of 21.15 mpg. This was once again all city driving.

My Mileage Stats Before Installation

2008-03-08T13:34:00.000-08:00

As promised I'm including for everyone's inspection the kind of mileage I've been getting before installing the device on my car. I figured that the best and most transparent way to do this would be to include copies of the receipts themselves along with a photo of my gas gauge.

Now to be a fair, and as aboveboard as I know how to be, I want to let everyone know that I am an accomplished Graphic Designer and an expert user of Photoshop. Meaning that if I wanted to I could fake any of the the documents I've included - so the fact is that they prove absolutely nothing. However, I am giving everyone my word that I have not altered these images in any way, nor will I do so (without revealing the truth) in the future. Now, with that out of the way it looks as if my ol' Honda is getting 20.64 miles per gallon. The car is being driven by myself and my wife in normal stop-and-go city traffic. We've taken no trips on the highway. The weather has been cool to cold, and in the last couple of days it has been rainy. If the weather gets just a little nicer by next weekend I'll be installing the Water4Gas device. If not I'll post my mileage without it again next week. That's it for now.

Parts Are Purchased

2008-02-28T18:12:00.000-08:00

So what I've been doing over the last few days: As it turns out the books are very good for a lot of things, but the reality is that while the parts are clearly spelled out there is an appendix that is often referred within the text that is no longer available. Unfortunately it is that appendix that is supposed to tell the reader exactly what the parts are, where to get them and what to expect to pay for them. Those things are to be found throughout the book but the reader has to search them out and note them down for themselves. I wrote to the author about this and he very nicely told me that I needed to look in the book for that info. So I finally broke down and did exactly that. I have now purchased the parts and expect to have them within the next few days. Weather permitting I will make the installation on my car (a '97 Honda Civic) very soon.

I will begin posting my mileage pre-installation shortly. - I will do this over the course of several occasions of filling up, driving and then refilling to document specifics. I will make these measurements as accurate as possible including the type of driving I am doing as well as traffic and weather conditions.

Once I have made the installation I will continue measuring fuel consumption for as many fill-ups as seems appropriate after that - continuing my documentation by posting that information here - good or bad. That's what this is all about. At this point I suppose the sheen is off the apple, and I'm not as excited about all of this as I was to begin with, but that could easily change with experience.

I'll let you know.

Oh yeah - here's that picture of Edison I promised you.

A few days later...

2008-02-16T19:02:00.001-08:00

As promised here's an image of Edison and another of his famous patent for the first electric lamp (bulb). To continue my report: I've now move along to the point were I am going to be purchasing the various items on the list and will begin construction as soon as I have a break in my studies. I do have a rather grueling schedule this year -but I expect the have a bit of time in the next few days - so I'll let you know what happens. Also I think that once I understand how to properly build the central component I will begin to create a video demonstrating how to go

about the process in the best and most effective way. Until my next posting please be patient because you know that...I'll be back.

Day 8

2008-02-07T06:34:00.000-08:00

Yes, yes I know - a few days have passed without a post, but I've been reading this material and as I mentioned before there's a lot of it (all good). I just sent a copy of it to my dad who has a real knack for getting to the core of stuff like this and he and I will be able to compare notes etc.

You may be asking yourself what do the images of Tesla have to do with all of this really, and the answer is absolutely nothing, but let's face it the images are cool and whether you believe all of the myth, combined liberally with reality, surrounding this guy or not, he was a great inventor who was given a very hard time by the the rich and powerful of his day including Edison. To be fair I'll find a nice image of Edison for the next posting.

Anyway to continue, I've also put the list of components together and will soon be making purchases. One of the very first things I intend to do is to identify places local to me where I can buy this stuff. It shouldn't be all that hard since I do live in NYC, and would like to support as many local stores and industries as possible. I certainly encourage everyone do do the same in their own communities. It just makes good sense, doesn't it?

One other thing is that I had a couple of direct questions about the material, so I asked for assistance through their support email link and received an answer within a few hours each time. I believe that customer service is one of the most important things that any business can offer. So in that area, at least, I'd give water4gas a 10 out of 10.

I continue to be interested and so far nothing being expressed in the Water4Gas books is anything but positive and informative.

More later.

As usual you can

Click Here
to go the Water4Gas site

Day 2

2008-02-01T09:55:00.000-08:00

Wow there's a lot of material, but at least they have my attention. I do not have the feeling that I've been taken in - yet.

So far I do have this feeling like I might be joining a cult or at least a fringe group. Kidding, kidding - it's just that there's a lot of talk about suppressed technologies and Nikola Tesla. While I read through the stuff I have also been researching the subject and when one searches for water driven cars the name that comes up most is Steve Meyer. There's all kinds of stuff that can be found on the net that talks abut his work, and his brother who continues that work since the "mysterious" death of Steve a few years ago. There's plenty of video on uTube and radio blogs and writings of all kinds to be found. The only problem I have with this is that some of the information is delivered by rambling, slow talking good ol' guys named Bubba, or like that... But the think is thatI mean no offense by that - some of these guys are really, really bright, but it's difficult to hear what someone has to say when their frame of reference to the world is so different from your own. There will certainly be some people reading this thinking exactly the same thing about what I have to say. Such is life.

There is something really compelling about what I've purchased - aside from the information itself, and that it the way that it is offered as an open source - it would be very easy for me to simply give it to anyone I wanted to give it to. The download site is not locked in any way. I could send the link to anyone I wanted to. There aren't any rules telling or even asking me not to do it.

Still, if someone clicks on the link to the site that I provide at the bottom of each off these posts, and they buy the instructions - I'll make money on the sale - a cool 50%, but is that enough to stop me from just giving it away? Well, not if it turns out to be nothing but bull. . .

I continue to read. . .

You can

Click Here
to go the Water4Gas site

The beginning

2008-01-31T06:20:00.000-08:00

This a duplicate posting that I originally placed in a blog that I began as a Master's class project titled Narrow Broadcast Technologies. Since that is the actual beginning of this process for me I've created this blog to specifically document my process and progress.
COPY/PASTE BEGINS
I've been researching for a narrative film script that I'm working on with two partners. Our story revolves around a simple alternative to fossil fuels. I came across this a couple of days ago:
Very interesting.

OMG - it's a day later and I've convinced myself! As I looked at what was being offered it became more than interesting to me and I bought the books. I'll be in the process of converting my car (a '97 Honda) over the next few weeks. I'll post updates of my progress in this blog (or I may start another one just for that exploration. (Obviously, I've taken that step - Jon) The more I look at the technology the more I like it. In the meanwhile I've signed on as an affiliate so that others can get the information as well.

Yes, I am skeptical but I would really love to find out that this is the real thing. I've always made decisions based on this idea: If I have the experience of something then I know that it's true. If I have not had the experience I am willing to admit that anything is possible...

If you want to support my experiment and perhaps become as entranced as I have by this 100 year old technology brought up to date - you can begin by

Clicking Here.

So here we go as of day 1 January 31, 2008