Okay I'm Back and Continuing to Explore

Yes, yes I know I haven't posted here since the 17th of September and I really have no excuse whatsoever. Still, being in an accident can take it out of you a bi,t and what the shock cannot manage to do, is then in the hands of the insurance companies, and they are so good at what they do.

Anyway, these are scans of the first two fill-ups for my new Honda Civic.
It's amazing that I've come out of what was a gigantic mess with a new car that my wife, son and I have fallen in love with. The navigation system is the most amazing (and necessary) gadget ever... And before you laughing guys point it out to me - yes, I did read today about a second idiot, in a matter of weeks, who ended up on the railroad tracks by blindly listening to GPS instructions. Brother!

As you can see the mileage is not bad right off the get-go, but eventually I will introduce the w4g components into the system. What am I waiting for you ask? I'm waiting for Ozzie's fabled piggy-back device - so that I have no knobs, switches or otherwise inside the cabin of the car which is pretty darned important. Just ask my lovely wife:-) Also I'll want to be very careful about how I proceed so that I don't give Honda any opportunity to void the warranty. A couple of my neighbors want their cars to be my new test subjects - so I have them carefully noting down their mileage so we all can know what's happening under those hoods before we get started.

One other thing is that in a day or so I'll be posting a new video which will demonstrate how to properly place the windings on our newest Igniting Water towers. Oh didn't I mention that? Oh well - yes we will be soon offering a new version of both of the 1 /4" thick tower styles ( 3/8 and 1/4 notched) - that will accept an additional 15 or so inches of wire... Nice huh?

See ya' later

J

Spreading the Word

Hi Jon,

I'm working on a similar project at hodworks.com, testing my own car and a couple of friends' cars with the system. Your site's a good resource - thanks for the work.

I added a link to my site - if you wanted to reciprocate that would be cool.

Thanks,

Brad

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You got it Brad - I'm glad you found the info useful. That's what it's all about. I'll set up the link to your site tomorrow. With your permission I'll also post your e-note to me which of course includes the link you've placed there - and I will also place a link to you in the right side-bar. Nice to have the company:-) Best, Jon

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Adding links to the sites of others is a policy that I will continue to keep open to anyone who would like to have that happen. All anyone has to do is ask:-)

Communication About Overheating

Hi Jon, My name is Mike XXX and I purchased some of your products a few weeks ago. I have built one so far and installed it in my 2000 suburban along with a map enhancer purchased on ebay. I been having a problem with overheating and melting the tower, shorting out and blowing fuses. I have lessened the baking soda to 1/8 tsp from 1/4 tsp. Thought may be that could be the problem. And also the water does not last very long. Would you have any suggestions what to do next. Many thanks. Mike XXX

Hi Mike - A couple of things you can look at:

• check to see that you system isn't wired into the alternator in some way
• check to see that you don't have the poles reversed (two strand wire on the Positive side instead of the Negative)

What you're experiencing has to do with too much juice flowing through those wires. I had some similar stuff happen that I ultimately cured by using two Electrolyzers connected in series. - And that series part is all important since it reduced the 12 volts to 6 each across the two units. Once I did that I was able to use as much a 5 teaspoons of Baking Soda per unit with no overheating.

Because this is such a common experience to everyone I've decided to post our conversation to the blog.

Take care Mike and please let me know your results.

Best,

Jon

I Regret to Announce...

...that the good and loyal '97 Honda Civic that has been the transporter of my family, the families of friends and relatives, members of the band and various visitors to our home - is no longer with us. Yesterday morning around 8:30AM EDT I was driving on 23rd street in Long Island City, New York at about 8:30 AM. I stopped a a stop sign at 31st Road and then inched forward craning to see around the van parked to my right on 31st. The street appeared clear. Given my Californian upbringing I also looked to my left to make sure that no one was heading the wrong way on that small one-way street. It was at that moment that a yellow cab traveling some 40 to 50 MPH (in a school zone) tore the front of my car off, and bent the frame. The photo, taken with my cell phone, fairly well shows the aftermath. That black thing that looks like an i-beam in the street is the gadget that would normally trigger the air-bags. Obviously they did not deploy. Still, my seat belt held me snug and safe and I was unhurt, but the car has been declared - "totaled" - and that with like 7/8ths of a tank of gas in it! I wonder where that goes? The cabbie had a bump on the head. He had a fare who simply got out and left the scene. I found three witnesses as to what happened and the insurance companies will work out whatever they need to work out. Thus ends this part of my ongoing experiment, but here are a couple of w4g things worth noting:

1. When the car was hit the motor shut down and when I know that I was unhurt I immediately got out to check on the other driver - forgetting that the Electrolytzers were continuing to churn out HHO. It was not until I had spoken with several people, called 911, and wandered around a bit shook up by the experience that I realizied what I had left undone and went to correct the potential problem - perhaps 7 to 10 minutes from impact. Here's the thing - nothing blew up. So I can now safely say that when an Electrolyzer runs for say 7 minutes the possibility of explosion appears to be nil...
2. Later in the day I went to the lot where the car or what is left of it has been stored - and removed our personal items including the MAP Enhanser and the Electrolyzers and all pertinent parts and found that the mason jars were unscathed. Turns out that these things are really strong - a very good thing to know, right?

My intention is to take the things that I've removed from my car and put them into the car of a neighbor who has expressed interest. I will ask him to keep independent readings of his mileage and I will make it my task to report his findings here. I see this as an opportunity to expand my knowledge by using this technology on another vehicle for the first time.

As for my transportation needs - well my wife and I have decided that what we want is another Honda Civic - but this time we want a Hybrid. (We'll just see if we can get it. I do figure that it's wortha try:-) With w4g we've become used to getting really good mileage, so how could we settle for anything less? I expect that once I feel really secure with my level of expertise I'll install a system in the new car (assuming of course that the computer issues have been solved by then) and we'll see if I can take what is already reported as great mileage in that car and make it even better...

The photo at the bottom here is a photo taken again with my cell phone of what happened to the cab after it hit me: he spun once in the street. My bumper is laying out there and the guy in shorts is standing next to a car the the cab missed in its trajectory before it slammed into the grey car you see pinned between the cab and the telephone pole. Just beyond that is a school. Children were everywhere both on the street and behind the fence. No one was hurt! Miracles never cease... Never.

Buckle up.

I'll see ya soon.

Keeping it Real

The MPG represented by this receipt is 24.82 so let's call it 25 to be fair. The problem is that I should have done much better and I'm not being picky here... some of this was highway driving and admittedly some of it was being trapped in the middle of a traffic jam, but - come on! Once again I'm going back to square one to see what the problem is, and I would think that it darn well has something to do with the computer taking over once again. Maybe it finally figured out that I have the Oxy Sensor out of the system and so I'm suffering with the heretofore predicted dire results. In the meanwhile water4gas is sending out tantalizing emails about the end of such problems. Four days ago I (along with the rest of the w4g community) received a message from Ozzie Freedom. Here's a bit of that message...

copy/paste from ozzie begins:...to let you all know that this is exactly what myself and Water4Gas are making. I know many of you have been waiting for the “panacea” to all on-board computer problems, so I am 100% dedicated to getting this device fine tuned and released for public to use in a matter of weeks.

I am working on a device that can be built and installed at home that will simply take the data from a standard Scan Gauge or similar computer, then use this information to send many signals to the vehicles’ fuel injection system which will in turn bypass the ECU completely. Thus giving us complete control of the fuel-air ratio and allowing the Water4Gas system to do its job, uninterrupted.

I will let you know next week of a website that will follow up on these developments. You can give me your input and help us create this solution.

copy/paste from Ozzie ends

Frankly I can't wait because this other route is something of a pain.-) not like I'm not having a good time though.

The other fly in the ointment at the moment is ongoing promise of the Free MarketPlace being up and running better, stronger and faster - while what we have now is something more difficult to navigate, and really quite daunting for casual computer users. Hopefully this will be solved soon.

One final comment - on comments: I have only had to take action on one posting so far, but please know that unless something is simply offensive I have no intention of deleting any comment of any sort from this site. Within the bounds of the subject at hand - everyone has the right to say what they want to say. I would however like to remind everyone that it's pretty important to stick with sharing from our experience as opposed to what we believe, or think we know, or have heard about from someone else etc... My reasoning is that when we share our experiences we are taking a different route than what has happened on other sites that are full of conflicting information. At least if someone has the experience and someone else has an opposite one - then we can all try to look at the variables that brought about what appears on the surface anyway to be paradoxical. We are all looking for real solutions that the rest of us can duplicate, and I thank everyone who has contributed to the success of this blog by posting what they've gone through in getting the technology to work properly on their individual vehicles.

So Now What?

I have to say in spite of what I said yesterday that I'm a bit put off that my mileage didn't increase. Given that I have 5 tsps of Baking Soda - in theory I should be developing more HHO. If that's true then what's happening to it? I just went out and double-checked to assure myself that they are no air leaks. There are none. My thoughts go once again to the MAP Enhancer adjustment - I did turn the City dial up from 10 to 12. Now I'm wondering if I should go back to 10 or maybe 8 or 9. Maybe it's that counter intuitive thing again? Another possibility is that I've now squeezed all the HHO value out of two Electrolyzrs that my car can put to use. Given that I hate that possibility - I think that I'll attempt the tuning of the MAP Enhancer - I'm thinking 8, and am open to suggestions.

Also I want to point out that the disconnection of the Oxygen Sensor in my particular car did not cause any of the problems that have been proposed as potential drawbacks. It is possible (and even probable) that this result has as much to do with the original computer configuration of my '97 Honda Civic as with anything else. All I know is that the disconnection of the Sensor has worked wonders for me.

Moving on...

NOTICE: I'm now actively looking to buy a PVC Enhancer and I'd like a recommendation for a vendor to buy from. At this point you all know the kind of person I'm looking for. It's okay to recommend yourself, and it's okay to post whoever you'd like to recommend - including a site address - as a comment to this (or any other post in this blog). The only time that I will ever remove such a post is if I discover through feedback or experience that the vendor does not fully support their products and/or their customers. If I ever need to take such an action I will not point out that they have been removed, nor will I further identify them here - since I do not support tactics of accusation - I will simply make that listing go away.

What is the matter with my thinking? Well I'll tell ya'...

So the results of this fill up show me that I've once again achieved 27.047 MPG and my immediate response is that hey, I've add 5tsp of baking soda to my electrolyzers and I see virtually no gain at all. The problem, however, does not lie with that my mpg has remained the same as it was before, rather the problem is that my expectations have been readjusted by the results that I've already gotten. Let's face it - 27 MPG is awesome! Especially when considering that before w4g I was averaging 21. So what's going on here?

I/We have gotten used to being conditioned by the media. There are expectations built into everything. Think I've got it wrong? Okay so how would you feel if you drove by a gas station in your neighborhood tomorrow morning that was selling gas for $3.25 per gallon. Get real - cars would be lined up around the block, and you could ask each and every driver what they were doing. And, each and every one would tell you that they were buying cheap gas. But we've all now been conditioned by big oil and the interconnected corporate media to have the perception that $3.25 is cheap!. Come on - gas for $3.25 is expensive and we all, at some level, know that.

My point is that I'm doing really well and - still I want more. I've been set up by my own beliefs. The good thing is that at least in this case they are my own beliefs, born out of my personal experiences, rather than those foisted off onto me by advertisers.

When I first started investigating the w4g technology I had my "I'm about to get stung" defenses up. I figured that I was about to get taken for a hundred bucks, and I also figured that it would be worth it if I learned something. To tell the truth though I had an innate feeling that just perhaps it was true - that the most plentiful substance on our planet could be the answer that we're all looking for. Hey just like the rest of you I did my homework and discovered the tale of Stanly Meyers and I've seen those videos - and I convinced myself that at least something was up. Well, as it turns out I didn't get stung at all, and I certainly did learn something. - I learned that I can get 27 MPG IN THE CITY consistently! And that water is indeed the answer. Do I think that I can do better? Of course I do. Can I be satisfied until I move on to get better results?

Oh alright...

By the way did I mention I get 27 MPG in the city?