Thursday, August 28, 2008
So Now What?
Also I want to point out that the disconnection of the Oxygen Sensor in my particular car did not cause any of the problems that have been proposed as potential drawbacks. It is possible (and even probable) that this result has as much to do with the original computer configuration of my '97 Honda Civic as with anything else. All I know is that the disconnection of the Sensor has worked wonders for me.
Moving on...
NOTICE: I'm now actively looking to buy a PVC Enhancer and I'd like a recommendation for a vendor to buy from. At this point you all know the kind of person I'm looking for. It's okay to recommend yourself, and it's okay to post whoever you'd like to recommend - including a site address - as a comment to this (or any other post in this blog). The only time that I will ever remove such a post is if I discover through feedback or experience that the vendor does not fully support their products and/or their customers. If I ever need to take such an action I will not point out that they have been removed, nor will I further identify them here - since I do not support tactics of accusation - I will simply make that listing go away.
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
I'm Back and Ready
Now the thing is - that I had a really terrific time away with family members (some of whom I'd never met before) and spent time not thinking about any of this (well some of the time anyway) - but the truth is that I've been really anxious to return to continue my experiment. On the advice of a really strong supporter of this blog (Kyle you know who you are:-) I've upped the Baking Soda in my two Electrolyzers from 1 1/2 teaspoons to 5 teaspoons each and have modulated my MAP Enhancer to about 12 on the dial. We shall see what happens.
Something that stands out for me here is that given the calibration on the Enhancer is from 0 to 60 I believe that I was making original adjustment in a rather gross way - that is I was thinking from 30 to 20 to 10 - never for a moment thinking about the use of delicate adjustments which as it turns out is exactly what needs to be done...
Live and learn:-)
Tuesday, July 29, 2008
That's Impressive! (and Counterintuitive)

The second receipt however (on the left) shows something very different at 27.41 MPG - it shows my best mileage ever!

So the question is what's different? Well it's something pretty simple and still makes my head hurt to think about it. It's the setting on the MAP Enhancer! - and this is the counterintuitive part: following directions I set the enhancer by leaning it out until the car stalled out and then came back a quarter turn, but that quarter turn in my mind was a quarter of the way back from where the car stopped chugging - but that was wrong. It wasn't enough. After I saw the crummy results I turned the rheostat back even further. To put this in perspective: the car was chugging at 30 - I turned it back to 20 which resulted in zero gain as shown on the Exxon receipt. After that fill up I turned it back to 10 and gained significantly! In other words trying to run too lean resulted in worse mileage.
Now let me be clear that this is not information that did not have in the first place through my interaction with Vernon Minton at HHO Development. He originally sent me instructions that included the following information:
MAXIMIZE BENEFITS

MAXIMIZE BENEFITS
One recent set of road tests (6-16-07) averaged 52.4% better mileage. But, tests from a week earlier on the same car averaged
only 24.5%. Actually, 22% if you discount idling. WHY such great difference?
The secret of the BIG DIFFERENCE between the two test groups: The later and more successful one got MORE THAN DOUBLE the average gain because the MPG was not dialed to near choke point. It was about 1/4 tum closer to factory setting!
Don't overwork the engine by leaning it too much - play around until you find the PERFECT BALANCE point.
Now did I listen to that? - Well I tried but I couldn't bring myself to believe that less is more - however as it turns out - that is exactly the case. The image of the Enhancer above is the one currently in my car. The setting that you are looking at is my current setting which does not mean that it is the setting that your car should be at, but learn by my experience - again the car bucked at the 30 setting - would run at 20 no problem (but without gain in MPG) and really gets the job done at 10... There ya' go.
Just FYI - I've just added a 1/4 teaspoon of Baking Soda to the Electrolyzers. Onward and upward:-)
See ya' next time.
Thursday, July 24, 2008
On the Road Again

Well yesterday was the big day. I installed the newest of the new MAP Enhancer's and took the opportunity to essentially start all over again with my set up. The first thing I did was to pull the negative cable from the battery so that the computer could reset while I worked on everything. Although I have mentioned that I've been told that removing both cables and touching them together would do the same trick - I figure that since I have the time to use the tried and true "traditional" method - why not?
The phenomenon of the nearly magnetic attraction of this technology became apparent within about 4 minutes of the time I popped the hood - I was joined by three guys, a woman and a Cocker Spaniel from the neighborhood. Everyone wants to know what's going on with the gadgets in my car. Of course this comes along with people who think that they know stuff like how to connect wires. I had to explain several times to one of my pals that I was connecting the two units in series, and that I really meant to do it that way...-)
The image above shows the new installation in action. That little crate thing I put the Electrolyzers in came from the Dollar Store (although it cost like $3.00) and gave them a pretty stable platform to put them on after I took a pair of cutters to it to give me room for the air intake duct leading to my injector. I'm placing another closeup image here since I'm pretty proud of myself at this moment. You'll see lots of indications showing the Positive and Negative terminals since I didn't happen to have any red and black paint around (not that it did me all that much good when I had it before.

Here's a hint about putting the angle fitting(s) in the cap to accept the vacuum line(s): each end of the fitting has a kind of lip or barb around the edge making it very difficult to push through the hole. So take a pair of shears or a wire cutter and cut just above that lip and then push it through the hole. Ozzie's books show that a 1/4 inch nut is twisted down over that inner piece sticking downward through the cap. I found it much better to use a lock washer for the purpose to holding it firmly in place before sealing with Goop.
I must admit that felt exceptionally confident with what I was doing this time around in that I personally built my Electrolyzers. Not only that, but these Electrolyzers contain laser-cut and notched towers that I personally designed, 316L wire that I personally braided and lovingly wrapped on each one, and the laser-cut caps topping everything off were those that I produced as well. Each item attached to the cap was one that I personally attached and sealed with Goop. What I am saying here is that I know that these are exactly what they need to be. I am not relying on anyone else for the physical condition of these Electrolyzers. Why is that important to me? Have you read the earlier posts in this blog? Everything is important. Each small component, each procedure, each element is meant to be perfect in its own way. Does this mean that I can't goof? Again, I ask if you've read earlier posts:-) The thing is that I do learn from my mistakes. The last one cost me $60.00 and it was worth every nickel. If it had cost me $6000.00 I must admit I might feel differently. Nevertheless my lesson has been learned and I know to be careful with each and every part. The information in the Water4Gas books is meant to be our guide, but I'm pretty sure that I can't be the only one who thinks that I can go along and easily do what's been described, but doing it my own way (an example of this is that I tried other glues in place of Goop. Just FYI Gorilla Glue and Silicone do not work properly as sealers) and expect to get the described results. It's in my nature to explore the boundaries and expand beyond what I already know. The truth however is that it's important for me to know the basics before I move ahead with my brilliant ideas. Ozzie has provided an amazing blueprint for us, but that's a jumping off point and we all know it. My issue generally stems from thinking that I know everything before I really know it. Still all in all I'm having a blast. The progress I've made in understanding how my car works and what certain things are supposed to do is remarkable in just two months - especially considering that when I put my first Electrolyzer in the car I had to as my mechanic what the vacuum lines looked like. So far so good.
I'm going to head out and fill the tank so that I can get an accurate measurement on the results.
Friday, July 18, 2008
Life is Indeed Strange

Now about that receipt you're looking at above - I got 23.37 MPG without the Electrolyzer or the MAP Enhancer working! The only thing I had going for me was the Oxygen Sensor Spacer. The gain I've been getting for the last several fill-ups apparently is from that device alone. What a surprise that turns out to be - especially since, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the next move I intend to make once I install the new MAP Enhancer - is to remove the sensor from the system altogether - to allow the Enhancer to control the amount of gas being used. I still intend to do that and let the results fall where they may. We shall see. We shall see.
Thursday, July 10, 2008
Now that I've Achieved Consistancy I Also Have a New Problem
I have another issue that came up for me this afternoon and I'm trying to figure it out, and see how it all relates. Here's the scenario: Georgina and I have driven into Manhattan to deliver some things to a friend who happens to be a shut-in recovering from an operation. It's hot and muggy. The AC is on. So anyway I get on the FDR Drive and switch the MAP Enhancer over from "City" to "Highway" at which point the AC dies as do the cooling fans behind the radiator (which I do not know until I get to where we're going and the car begins to overheat sitting at a traffic light. My wife goes in and delivers the packages and I try to figure out what's going on. I let the car cool off and add some distilled water (which I happen to have in the trunk at all times). I see that the fuse to the AC has blown and I happen to have a replacement which I put in. Then I see that the Electrolyzer does not come on when I turn the key in the ignition. I check it's fuse and it is not blown. At the moment it's looking like the AC relay may be dead, but I cannot figure out the cause. Is it all unrelated stuff, or have I done something really wrong? At the moment I simply do not know. The most recent adjustments that I've made to the system are these: I added another half teaspoon of Baking Soda to the water bring my content up to 2 teaspoons; the new Electrolyzer tower is notched every quarter inch and the windings have increased accordingly; I removed the check valve from the vacuum line going to the manifold, and I plugged the other vacuum line with a bolt so that it no longer connects to the air filter housing. That's it - the only thing electrical in all of that - is the Baking Soda. Seems like I'm grasping at straws. Is it possible that even though the original MAP Sensor has been replaced with a new one - could the new one be equally goofed but in a different way? Dunno. I'm going to copy/paste all of the above onto the w4g forum and see if anyone of the mucky-mucks can figure out what's up. Once I have an answer I will post back here.
On another subject I want to pass along something that was kindly passed to me by a friend of mine - Henry in Taiwan (hello Henry:-), I think that nearly everyone will find it very interesting. It on the subject of Oxygen Sensors... copy/paste begins Henry,
There are a few things you can do with the O2 sensors once you've put in the DEMSE. Remember, only mess with the O2 sensor(s) before the catalytic converter, not the one(s) after.
1. Leave the O2 sensors alone. This will probably not work. Usually, when faced with an 'enhanced' signal from the MAP sensor, the ECU will apparently ignore it and only look at the O2 sensor input.
2. Try one of the O2 sensor enhancers -
a) foil wrapping - I have not seen this work for many people.
b) O2 extenders/oxyisolators - I also have not seen this work for many.
c) EFIE - you can adjust the O2 sensor output. This is rather pricey, but works.
3. Disconnect the O2 sensors before the catalytic converter. This is what Ozzie does. Make sure you wrap the disconnected plugs so they don't get damaged. This is the way to go, if you're going to have a MAP sensor enhancer. The ECU will not be able to look at the O2 sensor signal, because there isn't one - it is forced to take the ECU signal. Your Check Engine light will go on, but you'll be prepared for it. Just ignore it.
Happy Mileage!
JJ Ferretti
Tech Support copy/paste ends
Now I gotta say - I have the spacer on my sensor and I cannot really tell if it's doing anything or not - but I am opting for the Number three solution. If it's good enough for Ozzie - it's good enough for me.
Friday, July 4, 2008
How to Install the MAP Sensor Enhancer
In the past I have asked the same question and it was answered for me by Mr. Minton. Now a man named Eric has asked the question of me and I promised to post the following information here. I am placing a copy/paste of Mr. Minton's instructions to me - as well as a diagram that I created and he kindly corrected for me: copy/paste begins - There are three wires coming out of the MAP Sensor. One is the Ground, one is the 5 volt Sensor Power, and the third is the MAP Sensor Signal to the Car's computer, the ECM. You cut the third wire and splice each end to the MAP Sensor Enhancer according to your instructions.
There are three wires coming out of the MAP Sensor Enhancer. One is Black; connect this to a wire that is attached to your cars frame or similar location. The other two wires are spliced onto the two ends of your MAP Sensor. The Red wire connects to the MAP Sensor signal wire and the Brown wire connects to the wire going to the ECU. When connecting the Enhancer be sure the dials are set to "0". Once you have it installed, turn the lower switch to "Enhanced" and the upper switch to "City". Then slowly turn the "City" dial until your engine starts to sputter, then turn the dial back 1/4 turn.
The following website http://www.hhodevelopment.com/If anyone else has anything to add or subtract from this please do so as a comment for everyone to see and benefit from.
Saturday, June 28, 2008
Mileage report with the new Enhancer

As most of you must know by now I am fairly persistent, and I'll not let this go until I get what I want. There are certainly enough of you now encouraging me, and telling me that it is possible. Telling me about your Toyota getting mileage that I only dream about. - Thanks a lot. No really, all kidding aside - thank you all.
My thought as I sit here writing this is that I'll go back to the Electrolyzer and put in a new tower with my own windings on it - In the last day I've started producing and selling 1/4" thick towers with notches at the 1/4" so there are nearly twice as many windings apparently producing twice as much HHO so that my car can run leaner. (Thanks to Rod and Steph for cluing me into new info from Ozzie) I expect that I'll have time to do that on Monday.
I feel that I should mention this: The Electrolyzer that I have on my car is not one of the one's that I've made. Rather it is the original one that I bought as a completed item (it has glue on the coils which is obviously something I personally identified as a problem. "Why then," you ask with a look of stunned amazement at my stupidity, "didn't you put one of your own creations on?" - It's a damned good question. I suppose the only real answer is - that I got caught up in the fact that it has worked in the past, and I've been busy: the sales of the towers have taken up a surprising amount of time. More to the point - it didn't occur to me that it might not be delivering the amount of HHO that my car actually needs. (Although that leaves me wondering why it did what it did in the first place.) Nevertheless, I'm now about to remedy that situation.
The way things stand at the moment is that I am in the midst of an experiment, and as it happens I am one of the factors in that experiment. I may well have done something wrong (though I have no idea what) - it might not be my influence at all. I will find out and hopefully this excursion of mine will assist the rest of you.
So one more time I've taken another step. At least it's not a step backward as some others have been, and it's even a slight move forward. Bottom line: I want a giant step forward. Don't we all?
Also I want to add a quick note about the towers: one of my clients let me know that when he was wrapping the electrode wires on one of the 1/8" thick versions he cracked it in half. This is the first and only incidence of this that I know about. I have replaced it with a 1/4" version at my expense. All I can say is that I have personally wrapped about 20 of these things without problem and I expect that it may be as simple as my having a lighter touch. In the last day I've also replaced one of the 1/4" towers - it broke in the mail. What the Post office needed to do to make that happen is almost beyond belief. I guess that I'm just saying that things happen and I will always stand behind my products. If you think that you might be very strong or just want to wrap wires really tight - go for the 1/4" towers.
See you next time I fill up - or before if I think of something really profound to say. - Yeah right.
One last thing waterxfuel is soon to become ingitingwater. Watch for it.
Tuesday, June 24, 2008
I just put the new MAP Enhancer in.

ADDED NEXT DAY: I also asked for and received the following information on how to set the Highway side of the Enhancer: The Highway setting is for speeds above 40 mph. Match the HWY Dial to your City setting. After reaching a speed of 40 mph, switch to your dial to HWY and lean it out until your comfortable with your setting. Be careful and do this slowly. You don't want your engine to die at that speed. Also remember, when you want to pass or go up a steep incline, switch your lower switch to Factory so you will have all the power you need. Good info for all.
As I said in the last post I waited to fill up until I got the new gadget, so here are the results - as you can see I didn't do as badly as I'd expected since this works out to 22.9 MPG - (lets call it 23 why don't we) which is nearly couple of miles-per beyond my norm. This was obtained with the Oxygen Sensor Spacer installed as well as the HHO Generator. I suppose if I'd done the battery trick I would have done even better. It just occurred to me, (as I wrote that last line) that I didn't do it when I did the install - so I promise to go out and do it in a little while so that everything starts from an even base.
Wish me luck since my luck will also be yours...
Monday, June 23, 2008
Waiting waiting waiting
Tuesday, June 17, 2008
The Mystery May Well Be Solved
Once again Mr. Minton has demonstrated his integrity and I for one appreciate it. It would have taken me forever and a day to figure out that something was wrong with the Enhancer. Sure it 's a hassle but such thing happen with computer and TV and what-all, and I've never once had a note from Sony telling me that there was a problem with something that they sold me and that they wanted to make it right. If I found something wrong it's always been up to me to discover it and then go through the maze of telephone robots to get satisfaction.
Rock on Vernon!
Monday, June 16, 2008
I hate to say this, but...

In the light of the above I've posted the following in the W4G forum: Ok now I'm totally baffled. I have the MAP Enhancer installed, and can actually hear the difference when switching between "Factory" and "Enhanced." I have a spacer in the upstream Oxygen sensor. I've reduced the amount of baking soda in the electrolyzer to 3/4 tsp. I've made sure that my vacuum lines are as open as possible (cut back the "T's" and reamed them out) - And my mileage is back to 19 MPG! Remember that without any H.H.O. device I was getting 21 MPG... I don't mind being the guinea pig, but I'm actually wasting fuel at a time when that should be considered to be a sin.
I will post the answers here and I will peruse any viable solution and post those results as well. BTW - I filled the tank before hitting the highway yesterday and the round trip was 22.6 miles. At this point I don't know if there was a gain of any kind, but I just thought I'd let you know that that mileage will be included when I post the next results.
UPDATE (a few hours later): I just received this answer to my query: I hope you don't mind me putting in my $0.27 (inflation). I've followed your posts and you see saw mpg's and frankly, I'm (almost) baffled also. The almost is the reason for this letter. That and the fact that I agree about wasting gas should almost be a crime. Of course, some experimentation is justifyable.
So, the thing is, I have posted about the lids on the H.H.O. units not sealing well, and was wondering if you have checked for this problem?
Remember, though they might have sealed when installed, the plastic lid has a tendancy to warp with heat. I use a water-proof silicone, "Form-A-Gasket", as I feel that it is flexible enough to "warp" with the lid.
As you know, excess air leaking into the jar would have the same effect as a leaky vacuum line, causing a loss of performance and lower mpg.
Saturday, June 14, 2008
And Now For Something Different
CHRIS: I just wanted to mention that I read and enjoyed the entire blog that you posted (well most of it lol it is very extensive). I noticed that you have for sale the Plexiglas towers and I was wondering if you build them or are advertising for someone else. I actually manufacture the MAP Sensor Enhancers and sell them on eBay and now I am creating my own website. I was wondering if you would be interested in somehow linking to me or even putting a picture of mine on there or something? Basically I would like to work out some kind of deal where I can sell my MAP Sensor Enhancers on your site. I am not a big corporation just a hometown guy with a passion for electronics. I have been into the HHO stuff for a while and the MAP Sensor Enhancers have helped fund my business. Anyway let me know if you may be interested and regardless I will keep reading your blog.
Thanks, ~Chris
JON: I really do appreciate your kind words, but the fact is that I do not know you, nor can I vouch for the quality of your work or your personal integrity. And I am not in the business of advertising for others. Rather I am attempting to create a base of real information about something that, on the surface anyway, has every appearance of some kind of a scam. You an I know that this is not the case, but if I begin to post ads for others I'm afraid that it might skew my credibility. You do however sound exactly as if you are what you say you are. Meaning that you sound OK to me - and I'd like to support your efforts... Tell you what I will do, for the time being anyway, is this : I am willing to post a copy/paste of both sides of this conversation into the Water4Gas Report. Also, pass me the link to your website and give me permission to post your email address and I will put them up. Send along a photo if you like. What will happen after that is that I'll tag our conversation including your name and site name and invite others to post their experience with you. If that sounds fair just reply to this email with the information. Once I've received your email I will copy everything and post it.
In answer to your question - I personally designed these towers, cut the original prototypes, and have contracted directly with a friend of mine - who is the manufacturer.
Cordially,
Jon
Thanks, ~Chris
Friday, June 13, 2008
About That Oxygen Sensor Spacer

So as you know I'd already put in the MAP Enhancer. So as a consequence of my failed attempt at installation - I'd already driven 29.4 miles - when the spacer was actually installed. So - I did drive around a bit with that piece of the puzzle missing, but also felt that I was getting a true gain that would show up with the spacer in or not. What happened next was unexpected but it was something that I noticed immediately upon driving out of Louie's shop: my MAP Enhancer needed to be readjusted to a leaner mixture. There was no doubt that something different was going on. It was unmistakable.
My next posting will contain my newest mileage stats, and for the first time they will reflect some highway driving. We intend to take the kayaks out for a spin tomorrow and will need to get to some interesting location - right? At least something more pristine than the East River.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Worst Mileage Ever

On the other hand, I did get the Enhancer installed yesterday. Just to be on the safe side of getting things in order, while I did the installation I did disconnect the battery. There was some mention in the instructions that I got of disconnecting the upstream Oxygen sensor - but I couldn't figure out how to do that other than pulling the electrical line off - which amounts to the same thing. Reason: I want to put the spacer on and I'm waiting until I talk to my mechanic to see if he can tell me how to do that without wrecking it. (I'll report later on that.)
What I did do was get the MAP Enhancer online and working! As you might surmise - I am fairly well proud of myself. Choosing the correct wire seemed a real problem but once I got it - I got it. I can tell that it's doing what it's supposed to do by a very simple test. First I followed the directions for tuning it and found that spot for my car that works best. Then, while the car was sitting at an idle I flicked the setting from Enhanced to Factory. There is a very noticeable difference in the engine. It is unmistakable. I did it right. I expect that that difference will show up the next time I fill up ( and I won't be waiting so long until I do that - because I'm dying to see the results). It's all I can do to keep myself from just going out and driving around, but I'm really not all that willing to demonstrate how stupid I can be:-)
Another thing that I did while I was installing the Enhancer is that I took another look at the "T" connection for the vacuum lines connected to the Electrolyzer - I noticed that one of them appeared to be loose. It was - which certainly may be responsible for the terrible mileage. I just don't know. Still, I took a close look and realized that the Universal T is designed in a way that each end narrows further and further so that it can accept all sizes of lines. What this means is that for my car I had lines that didn't need to be as small at the ends as these were - so I cut them off with wire cutter and reamed them clean with an Exact-o blade. What this should mean is that I will get more vacuum pulling the HHO into the manifold.
I'm realizing more and more that each little thing is important. As always I'm learning at each step and with any luck you will be able to avoid the pitfalls through my missteps.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008
I'm getting to it...
Saturday, June 7, 2008
And on... and on...
By the way I ordered my MAP Enhancer from a guy named Vernon Minton. The link on his name will take you to his website. I wanted to mention that there are people out there who might sell you one of these gadgets for a little less, but this is a guy who went the extra mile to help me to understand how to hook the darned thing up. Certainly a person worth knowing. His work, by the way, has every appearance and feel of the highest quality. Highly recommended.
I'll be back.