Something New Has Been Added - 45+MPG!

Well as many of you have figured out by now - I haven't been around here for a while. Such is life:-) However my fascination with obtaining the best possible mileage has not diminished at all, in fact I have been carefully keeping track of the mileage that I've been getting (or not getting) on my new 2008 Honda. The car is rated at 35 highway and 26 in the city, but the reality is that I've been getting around 17 in the city and 27 on the highway. Naturally, I've been complaining to Honda about this for the entire past year and they've been telling me that their computers verify that the car is running perfectly. I felt I was getting the run around and I said so. Finally, the service manager, Antony at Paragon Honda agreed with me that the car should be road-tested by his best technician, Ken. We arranged a time, and because it took a month to do this I thought I was being stalled - but I went along with it so that I could at least get it done.

So two days ago Ken and I got into the car, went together to a gas station and filled it up. At that point he said that the driving conditions were that all accessories had to be turned off and that the windows had to be rolled up. I said no problem. We drove approximately 50 miles (about 10 on city streets and 40 on the highway) - all the while obeying the speed limits. I was vigilant in keeping track of when and where the miles were being racked up - figuring that staying on the highway longer was certain to slant things in their favor, but still I was okay with that since I figured that the best he would be able to do would be at the very most - 29 on the highway and possibly 20 in the city - if he coasted a lot...

When we returned to the gas station and filled the car once again to measure the mileage I'm sure that my mouth fell open - we got 45+MPG on that little trip! He explained to me that the aerodynamics of the car with the windows up were responsible for a lot of that difference, and that leaving the AC off in particular assured that the Alternator did not kick in. Naturally, the Alternator creates drag on the engine.

It was 80 degrees out and with the windows up it was damned hot in that car, but that he was able to prove to me without a doubt that the car could actually do much better than advertised was stunning. His driving was not all that different from the way I drive normally - trying to stay below 2000 RPM and not revving the engine etc., but still he got that impressive mileage in my car.

Should Honda and other car makers be telling us that in order to get superior mileage, as stated on the sticker, we need to travel around in a well appointed sweat-boxes, with the windows up and using none of the gadgets installed by them? Yes, of course they should! Will they ever do such a thing? Hell no, it would be bad for business - right? Is this a scam? No not at all: it is simply a lie by omission designed by ad agencies to sell cars. As long as we continue to buy the lie we are as responsible for the problem as they are.

Fight back by continuing the search for a better way, better mileage, and a better life for us and our children. If we don't do it we can be certain of one thing - the corporations won't do it either.

What is the matter with my thinking? Well I'll tell ya'...

So the results of this fill up show me that I've once again achieved 27.047 MPG and my immediate response is that hey, I've add 5tsp of baking soda to my electrolyzers and I see virtually no gain at all. The problem, however, does not lie with that my mpg has remained the same as it was before, rather the problem is that my expectations have been readjusted by the results that I've already gotten. Let's face it - 27 MPG is awesome! Especially when considering that before w4g I was averaging 21. So what's going on here?

I/We have gotten used to being conditioned by the media. There are expectations built into everything. Think I've got it wrong? Okay so how would you feel if you drove by a gas station in your neighborhood tomorrow morning that was selling gas for $3.25 per gallon. Get real - cars would be lined up around the block, and you could ask each and every driver what they were doing. And, each and every one would tell you that they were buying cheap gas. But we've all now been conditioned by big oil and the interconnected corporate media to have the perception that $3.25 is cheap!. Come on - gas for $3.25 is expensive and we all, at some level, know that.

My point is that I'm doing really well and - still I want more. I've been set up by my own beliefs. The good thing is that at least in this case they are my own beliefs, born out of my personal experiences, rather than those foisted off onto me by advertisers.

When I first started investigating the w4g technology I had my "I'm about to get stung" defenses up. I figured that I was about to get taken for a hundred bucks, and I also figured that it would be worth it if I learned something. To tell the truth though I had an innate feeling that just perhaps it was true - that the most plentiful substance on our planet could be the answer that we're all looking for. Hey just like the rest of you I did my homework and discovered the tale of Stanly Meyers and I've seen those videos - and I convinced myself that at least something was up. Well, as it turns out I didn't get stung at all, and I certainly did learn something. - I learned that I can get 27 MPG IN THE CITY consistently! And that water is indeed the answer. Do I think that I can do better? Of course I do. Can I be satisfied until I move on to get better results?

Oh alright...

By the way did I mention I get 27 MPG in the city?

That's Impressive! (and Counterintuitive)

The first receipt on the right shows the results of my new set up using two Electrolyzers connected in series with one teaspoon of Baking Soda in each , the Oxygen Sensor out of the system altogether, and the MAP Sensor Enhancer working perfectly - and yet my mileage stinks! (comparatively that is) If you've been following along you will know that 21.89 is pretty much what my car gets without enhancement of any kind. - And some of the mileage is on the highway...

The second receipt however (on the left) shows something very different at 27.41 MPG - it shows my best mileage ever!

Yippie!

So the question is what's different? Well it's something pretty simple and still makes my head hurt to think about it. It's the setting on the MAP Enhancer! - and this is the counterintuitive part: following directions I set the enhancer by leaning it out until the car stalled out and then came back a quarter turn, but that quarter turn in my mind was a quarter of the way back from where the car stopped chugging - but that was wrong. It wasn't enough. After I saw the crummy results I turned the rheostat back even further. To put this in perspective: the car was chugging at 30 - I turned it back to 20 which resulted in zero gain as shown on the Exxon receipt. After that fill up I turned it back to 10 and gained significantly! In other words trying to run too lean resulted in worse mileage.

Now let me be clear that this is not information that did not have in the first place through my interaction with Vernon Minton at HHO Development. He originally sent me instructions that included the following information:

MAXIMIZE BENEFITS
MAXIMIZE BENEFITS
One recent set of road tests (6-16-07) averaged 52.4% better mileage. But, tests from a week earlier on the same car averaged
only 24.5%. Actually, 22% if you discount idling. WHY such great difference?
The secret of the BIG DIFFERENCE between the two test groups: The later and more successful one got MORE THAN DOUBLE the average gain because the MPG was not dialed to near choke point. It was about 1/4 tum closer to factory setting!
Don't overwork the engine by leaning it too much - play around until you find the PERFECT BALANCE point.

Now did I listen to that? - Well I tried but I couldn't bring myself to believe that less is more - however as it turns out - that is exactly the case. The image of the Enhancer above is the one currently in my car. The setting that you are looking at is my current setting which does not mean that it is the setting that your car should be at, but learn by my experience - again the car bucked at the 30 setting - would run at 20 no problem (but without gain in MPG) and really gets the job done at 10... There ya' go.

Just FYI - I've just added a 1/4 teaspoon of Baking Soda to the Electrolyzers. Onward and upward:-)

See ya' next time.

Same Day New Post - Gas Shenanigans

Hey I found the best gas price in town! Uh well no I didn't 'cause once I was in the station I discovered that there was a dollar surcharge because I dared to use my Debit Card to pay. But hey I figured I was already in the place and I wanted to get gas and I know already that I would never go back to a place that would play games like that. I didn't need that much gas anyway... I filled up and paid and because I'm always curious to see how much I'm putting in the tank I couldn't help but notice that the amount of gallons on the receipt was more than the amount shown on the pump. This receipt is a bit hard to read but it does show 3.434 gallons when what I actually got was 3.195 gallons. It's not much but I noticed and when I asked the attendant/owner what was going on he told me that the extra dollar was represented as fuel! Can this be legal? Anyway it's the only reason that I bothered to put this receipt up for viewing since it only partially representing a w4g result. I went about 35 miles using nothing but the Oxygen Spacer after which I installed the new stuff and disconnected the Oxygen Sensor from the system altogether. So 23.09 MPG is the result but that really tells nothing at all, so let's not focus on it... okay? I'll be back in a few days to spill the beans.

On the Road Again

Well yesterday was the big day. I installed the newest of the new MAP Enhancer's and took the opportunity to essentially start all over again with my set up. The first thing I did was to pull the negative cable from the battery so that the computer could reset while I worked on everything. Although I have mentioned that I've been told that removing both cables and touching them together would do the same trick - I figure that since I have the time to use the tried and true "traditional" method - why not?

The phenomenon of the nearly magnetic attraction of this technology became apparent within about 4 minutes of the time I popped the hood - I was joined by three guys, a woman and a Cocker Spaniel from the neighborhood. Everyone wants to know what's going on with the gadgets in my car. Of course this comes along with people who think that they know stuff like how to connect wires. I had to explain several times to one of my pals that I was connecting the two units in series, and that I really meant to do it that way...-)

The image above shows the new installation in action. That little crate thing I put the Electrolyzers in came from the Dollar Store (although it cost like $3.00) and gave them a pretty stable platform to put them on after I took a pair of cutters to it to give me room for the air intake duct leading to my injector. I'm placing another closeup image here since I'm pretty proud of myself at this moment. You'll see lots of indications showing the Positive and Negative terminals since I didn't happen to have any red and black paint around (not that it did me all that much good when I had it before.

Here's a hint about putting the angle fitting(s) in the cap to accept the vacuum line(s): each end of the fitting has a kind of lip or barb around the edge making it very difficult to push through the hole. So take a pair of shears or a wire cutter and cut just above that lip and then push it through the hole. Ozzie's books show that a 1/4 inch nut is twisted down over that inner piece sticking downward through the cap. I found it much better to use a lock washer for the purpose to holding it firmly in place before sealing with Goop.

I must admit that felt exceptionally confident with what I was doing this time around in that I personally built my Electrolyzers. Not only that, but these Electrolyzers contain laser-cut and notched towers that I personally designed, 316L wire that I personally braided and lovingly wrapped on each one, and the laser-cut caps topping everything off were those that I produced as well. Each item attached to the cap was one that I personally attached and sealed with Goop. What I am saying here is that I know that these are exactly what they need to be. I am not relying on anyone else for the physical condition of these Electrolyzers. Why is that important to me? Have you read the earlier posts in this blog? Everything is important. Each small component, each procedure, each element is meant to be perfect in its own way. Does this mean that I can't goof? Again, I ask if you've read earlier posts:-) The thing is that I do learn from my mistakes. The last one cost me $60.00 and it was worth every nickel. If it had cost me $6000.00 I must admit I might feel differently. Nevertheless my lesson has been learned and I know to be careful with each and every part. The information in the Water4Gas books is meant to be our guide, but I'm pretty sure that I can't be the only one who thinks that I can go along and easily do what's been described, but doing it my own way (an example of this is that I tried other glues in place of Goop. Just FYI Gorilla Glue and Silicone do not work properly as sealers) and expect to get the described results. It's in my nature to explore the boundaries and expand beyond what I already know. The truth however is that it's important for me to know the basics before I move ahead with my brilliant ideas. Ozzie has provided an amazing blueprint for us, but that's a jumping off point and we all know it. My issue generally stems from thinking that I know everything before I really know it. Still all in all I'm having a blast. The progress I've made in understanding how my car works and what certain things are supposed to do is remarkable in just two months - especially considering that when I put my first Electrolyzer in the car I had to as my mechanic what the vacuum lines looked like. So far so good.

I'm going to head out and fill the tank so that I can get an accurate measurement on the results.

Attaching An Electrode Wrapped Tower to the Cap

I've been asked several times to post this video, so here it is.

I hope that it helps.

Again I want to reiterate I am not the expert in any of this. I am just a person learning about a new technology like the rest of you. Still, while I may not know everything that there is to know about HHO and Water4Gas technology it just happens that I am very knowledgeable about how things go together, how to solve difficult spacial problems, and how to make things happen in a logical sequence. One of my previous occupations was as a master art-mold maker. The trick in that task is to know how to look at an original work made of wood, clay, wax or whatever - revolve it in space three dimensionally in one's mind - imagine the desired end result of a finished work of bronze art - and then begin creation of the mold with that final image in mind. I guess that I just know how to make things work.

Latest Mileage and Other Interesting Stuff

Well it's been a busy week and I'm finally getting around to updating my progress, and I want to state for the record - that it is indeed progress. Oh sure I've been boohooing about how I want consistency and high numbers and it finally got through to me that, at this point, I am getting the consistency part of the equation - 23.3 is a consistent gain of 2 extra miles that I'm getting from each gallon of gas. Correct - it's not huge, but it is after all there.

So what's missing? I have the MAP Enhancer doing it's job; the Oxygen Spacer is in place, a new Electrolyzer has been added. I've been told that adding more baking soda is the next step to take (short of putting in a second Electrolyzer) in getting more HHO from my single unit. Other people warn me that if I use too much baking soda I might melt the tower. - To address that issue at least: one thing is easy to look up online, and that is the melting temperature of Plexiglas. That process happens at 270 degrees Fahrenheit. If I begin to generate that kind of temperature there's one thing that will happen long before the Plexiglas melts: all the water would boil away. Clearly, the melting of the plastic is not an issue. I just added another half teaspoon. We'll see what happens. Also it has been suggested to me that the check valve in my line going to the manifold could be removed to allow a greater flow of HHO. I do have a four foot vacuum line there so I'm pretty clear that there's no danger of getting a spark kicked back into the Electrolyzer, but I'm gong to ask around some more to make very sure about that before I do it. It does make a certain kind of sense after all, but my wife would be pretty angry with me if I blew up the car.-)

There are all kinds of people now letting their creative juices flow - making all kinds of new units. Some of them are pretty interesting - composed of rods and plates, some are larger, and are constructed of new materials. Some are touted as more powerful (and maybe they are), but the one thing that I know for sure is that the original technology, as described in great detail complete with do-it-yourself plans - works. This is where we all must begin to gain a greater understanding of what it is we're dealing with. Harnessing it and playing with it and experimenting with it are exactly the kinds of things that need to be done to lead us all to the next step. Not so many months ago if someone had asked me if water could be ignited I would have laughed at the ridiculous nature of the question. Now that concept is the source of the name of my website. It is the nature of the device that I have added to my car that is without question improving my mileage. The idea that water can, and does, burn is now an obvious truth.

This ongoing exploration and expansion of our technology (something that should have been done over the last 50 years by large automakers), is taking us into a world that has been described by one of my new friends in the water4gas community, Stephanie, as a Silent Storm. We are that storm. We are, as a community of seekers, individually extracting ourselves, our friends, our neighbors, and ultimately our customers from the clutches of Big Oil. Not all at once but a step at a time. Many of us are looking to have this happen within an underlying framework of integrity. Treating one another as fellow travelers rather than competitors we will change more than just the way we fuel our automobiles. We could change the world. It is possible. Certainly as possible as burning water. We are not large corporate entities who have no responsibility to any but their stockholders. We are just people who care about what happens to others. If we each adhere to the truth, as we know it, and keep telling it as long as we know it, and continue to explore how what we're doing can transform the planet into what it was meant to be all all along - we will certainly find that we are doing exactly the right thing at exactly the right moment in time.

To misquote Lao Tzu for my own purposes, "Every journey begins with a single step." Well my friends I believe that we have taken it.

How to Install the MAP Sensor Enhancer

In the past I have asked the same question and it was answered for me by Mr. Minton. Now a man named Eric has asked the question of me and I promised to post the following information here. I am placing a copy/paste of Mr. Minton's instructions to me - as well as a diagram that I created and he kindly corrected for me: copy/paste begins - There are three wires coming out of the MAP Sensor. One is the Ground, one is the 5 volt Sensor Power, and the third is the MAP Sensor Signal to the Car's computer, the ECM. You cut the third wire and splice each end to the MAP Sensor Enhancer according to your instructions.

There are three wires coming out of the MAP Sensor Enhancer. One is Black; connect this to a wire that is attached to your cars frame or similar location. The other two wires are spliced onto the two ends of your MAP Sensor. The Red wire connects to the MAP Sensor signal wire and the Brown wire connects to the wire going to the ECU. When connecting the Enhancer be sure the dials are set to "0". Once you have it installed, turn the lower switch to "Enhanced" and the upper switch to "City". Then slowly turn the "City" dial until your engine starts to sputter, then turn the dial back 1/4 turn.

The following website http://www.hhodevelopment.com/introsupport.htm will explain everything you need to know about the installation. Also, you will need to add an Oxygen Sensor Extender to your O2 Sensor. If you have duel exhausts, you will need two. Your O2 Sensor is located on your exhaust manifold before the catalytic converter. - copy/paste ends

If anyone else has anything to add or subtract from this please do so as a comment for everyone to see and benefit from.

Changed Out the Original Electrolyzer

As you can see I've laid these two towers side by side to compare the differences. Naturally, the one on the right is the one that I built and wrapped, and this photo was taken before I installed it in the car. So it's obvious that it is perfectly clean and has no residue on it. The other - is the one that's been in my car for a bit longer than a month and yes it's nasty looking, but more than that - now that I know what I'm actually looking at: there are very few winds of the electrode wire and worse than that I notice that the negative wire is beginning to rust! This means that this wire is not 316L stainless steel. This means that what I've had sort of working in my car was not made properly and was not made using quality materials. I will not divulge the name of the person who sold it to me, rather I will simply encourage everyone to use the best materials and to treat others in the water4gas community as though they were members of your family. This is not only about the integrity of the product - it is also about allowing people to have the best possible experience as they begin to explore this technology. Let's not discourage others through a greater desire to make money than to have people know that this really works.

When my MAP Sensor Enhancer was not working I could not know until Mr Minton informed me of what had happened. The reality that my electrolyzer in all probability has never worked properly is something I had to discover for myself. If I were not moving along in my quest for understanding I might not have made the discovery. I might have gotten discouraged and even given up never knowing that I was so close.

Anyway the new electolyzer is in the car. All of the areas where it might leak (sucking air through the lid or around the electrical posts) have been carefully sealed. I switched out the universal vacuum fitting for a fitting that exactly fits my hoses. The one thing that I've not yet figured out is how much baking soda to use in the electrolyzer with so many more windings. I will find out and report back here.

One other thing: As soon as I put the new Electrolyzer I went ahead and refilled the tank so that I'd be getting a more accurate measurement for the next posting. It amount that I put in was insignificant and I did not recored that mileage.

Also I just put up the new website www.ignitingwater.com where I am selling support products for water4gas.

I just put the new MAP Enhancer in.

The wait is over and I've got the new Enhancer in place. I asked for and received the following instruction on how to set up the City side of the Enhancer: When connecting the Enhancer be sure the dials are set to "0". Once you have it installed, turn the lower switch to "Enhanced" and the upper switch to "City". Then slowly turn the "City" dial until your engine starts to sputter, then turn the dial back 1/4 turn. I expect that this will come in handy for anyone going down this path.

ADDED NEXT DAY: I also asked for and received the following information on how to set the Highway side of the Enhancer: The Highway setting is for speeds above 40 mph. Match the HWY Dial to your City setting. After reaching a speed of 40 mph, switch to your dial to HWY and lean it out until your comfortable with your setting. Be careful and do this slowly. You don't want your engine to die at that speed. Also remember, when you want to pass or go up a steep incline, switch your lower switch to Factory so you will have all the power you need. Good info for all.

As I said in the last post I waited to fill up until I got the new gadget, so here are the results - as you can see I didn't do as badly as I'd expected since this works out to 22.9 MPG - (lets call it 23 why don't we) which is nearly couple of miles-per beyond my norm. This was obtained with the Oxygen Sensor Spacer installed as well as the HHO Generator. I suppose if I'd done the battery trick I would have done even better. It just occurred to me, (as I wrote that last line) that I didn't do it when I did the install - so I promise to go out and do it in a little while so that everything starts from an even base.

Wish me luck since my luck will also be yours...

I hate to say this, but...

As I've mentioned before I do feel a desire to lie at times like these. I want this to work. When it does work I'm totally jazzed about it. I don't want to report that I'm having a problem. I want to inflate the figures so that this technology will appear to be working better than the results that I am currently experiencing would indicate, but I'm not going to do it! The reality is what it is. As you can see I got approximately 19.6 MPG. Again this is less than I get with no enhancement of any kind. Am I frustrated? YES! Will I give up? No because the fact is that I've seen it work with my own eyes and I expect to see it again. Clearly, I'm doing something wrong and I will get the information that I need to do it right. I happen to be a very persistent person.

In the light of the above I've posted the following in the W4G forum: Ok now I'm totally baffled. I have the MAP Enhancer installed, and can actually hear the difference when switching between "Factory" and "Enhanced." I have a spacer in the upstream Oxygen sensor. I've reduced the amount of baking soda in the electrolyzer to 3/4 tsp. I've made sure that my vacuum lines are as open as possible (cut back the "T's" and reamed them out) - And my mileage is back to 19 MPG! Remember that without any H.H.O. device I was getting 21 MPG... I don't mind being the guinea pig, but I'm actually wasting fuel at a time when that should be considered to be a sin.

I will post the answers here and I will peruse any viable solution and post those results as well. BTW - I filled the tank before hitting the highway yesterday and the round trip was 22.6 miles. At this point I don't know if there was a gain of any kind, but I just thought I'd let you know that that mileage will be included when I post the next results.

UPDATE (a few hours later): I just received this answer to my query: I hope you don't mind me putting in my $0.27 (inflation). I've followed your posts and you see saw mpg's and frankly, I'm (almost) baffled also. The almost is the reason for this letter. That and the fact that I agree about wasting gas should almost be a crime. Of course, some experimentation is justifyable.

So, the thing is, I have posted about the lids on the H.H.O. units not sealing well, and was wondering if you have checked for this problem?
Remember, though they might have sealed when installed, the plastic lid has a tendancy to warp with heat. I use a water-proof silicone, "Form-A-Gasket", as I feel that it is flexible enough to "warp" with the lid.
As you know, excess air leaking into the jar would have the same effect as a leaky vacuum line, causing a loss of performance and lower mpg.

I so appreciate this guy - a really forthcoming person who is willing to share what he knows. So I just checked my electrolyzer for leaks and what do you know I found one! I am going to take care of that but I do wonder just a bit if it's so much more air leaking in than the bubbler delivers (which admittedly isn't much). We shall see. I continue to wait for other possible answers...